Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, hammer93 said: @Jimbeamjunior Your argument Advocaat achieved more than Gerrard which is correct but the reality is you are comparing the success of a well established manger with a bottomless pit of money against a first year rookie who was taking over possibly one of the worst Rangers squads in our history and was given say 10 million pound to spend on players? Do you honestly believe that you have a valid argument bigging up Advocaats success against what Gerrard won? You didnt answer my earlier question, how much did the sheep spend in gerrards first season when they fucked us out of both cups and broke a long standing record of not winning twice at ibrox in one season You say advocaat won they trophies by vastly out spending everyone else, well sheep twice, hearts, st johnstone and st mirren all had gerrards number domestically in cups, did gerrard not vastly out spend them as well? And the original point was that gerrard did better in europe with lesser teams than advocaat and smith, which is quite frankly ridiculous given gerrards one shot at the CL ended with malmo embarrassing us over two legs, another team gerrard vastly out spent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 32,358 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: He didn't bail he left because the guy he answers to bailed on us. You saying Gerrard writes his contract so he answers to him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,565 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Just now, Hadron Collider said: You saying Gerrard writes his contract so he answers to him? Didn't say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 32,358 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: Didn't say that. But he answers to the guy that bailed on us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,565 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Hadron Collider said: But he answers to the guy that bailed on us? Be as well just leaving it, managers coaching staff tend to answer to them if you cant grasp that then fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,462 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: You didnt answer my earlier question, how much did the sheep spend in gerrards first season when they fucked us out of both cups and broke a long standing record of not winning twice at ibrox in one season You say advocaat won they trophies by vastly out spending everyone else, well sheep twice, hearts, st johnstone and st mirren all had gerrards number domestically in cups, did gerrard not vastly out spend them as well? And the original point was that gerrard did better in europe with lesser teams than advocaat and smith, which is quite frankly ridiculous given gerrards one shot at the CL ended with malmo embarrassing us over two legs, another team gerrard vastly out spent The sheep have got fuck all to with my question....I asked you how you thought Gerrard would have fared had he been given 40milion on his team in his first season....Aberdeen knocked an Advocaat side out the league Cup back in the day but that has fuck all to do with my argument..... you clearly are afraid that you may have to admit that the outcome would be more favourable hence why you won't answer the question You are strange character, firstly you are trying to play down Advocaats spending, you then side step Gerrards spend by bringing Aberdeens spend into the argument because they knocked us out two cups, totally ignoring that for the past 3 seasons Aberdeen were finishing 2nd in the league and were having cup finals into the bargain....yes I would always believe that Rangers should beat Aberdeen in the Cup just as we should beat the majority of teams in the cups....doesn't always work out like that or we would have won 40 odd trebles by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 32,358 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: Be as well just leaving it, managers coaching staff tend to answer to them if you cant grasp that then fair enough. Rangers gave him the contract. Not Gerrard. He would answer to Rangers. Same now as he’s moved to Aston Villa. Rangers would be the ones to fire him. Aston Villa would be the ones to fire him as well. This is what you’re not grasping. Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, hammer93 said: The sheep have got fuck all to with my question....I asked you how you thought Gerrard would have fared had he been given 40milion on his team in his first season....Aberdeen knocked an Advocaat side out the league Cup back in the day but that has fuck all to do with my argument..... you clearly are afraid that you may have to admit that the outcome would be more favourable hence why you won't answer the question You are strange character, firstly you are trying to play down Advocaats spending, you then side step Gerrards spend by bringing Aberdeens spend into the argument because they knocked us out two cups, totally ignoring that for the past 3 seasons Aberdeen were finishing 2nd in the league and were having cup finals into the bargain....yes I would always believe that Rangers should beat Aberdeen in the Cup just as we should beat the majority of teams in the cups....doesn't always work out like that or we would have won 40 odd trebles by now You said advocaat spent 70mill, ive shown some form of evidence that he hadnt, and in that time he not only made good inroads in europe, but also won many trophies domestically until, as you said, oneills tarriers team bested him The original point, as i said, was that a poster inferred that advocaat and smith done less in europe but with better teams, when infact smith and Advocaat did better in europe, with better teams and also won much domestically You seem to think i am downplaying hos achievements in europe, far from it, the EL runs were fantastic, however the claim that gerrards euro record is better than previous managers (pedro not included cause that was utterly honking) is clearly wrong, especially as these previous managers were also doing it at home as well as abroad, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, hammer93 said: Why you upset that he is away if you think he is tactically useless and he kept embarrassing us in cups....you should be delighted....not bitter I am glad the rat bastard is away , never wanted him near the club in the first place. What pisses me is the way he was allowed to do it , we should have sacked the prick. Guy has just shafted the club mid season and we have tossers like you on here defending every fuck up he made..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,565 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, sassaaaa said: I am glad the rat bastard is away , never wanted him near the club in the first place. What pisses me is the way he was allowed to do it , we should have sacked the prick. Guy has just shafted the club mid season and we have tossers like you on here defending every fuck up he made..... When should we have sacked him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wully 49,675 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: When should we have sacked him? When the tarriers beat us at Ibrox after the Hearts and Hamilton defeats....... The Specky Forum Organiser 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 12,202 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Wrong thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,462 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: You said advocaat spent 70mill, ive shown some form of evidence that he hadnt, and in that time he not only made good inroads in europe, but also won many trophies domestically until, as you said, oneills tarriers team bested him The original point, as i said, was that a poster inferred that advocaat and smith done less in europe but with better teams, when infact smith and Advocaat did better in europe, with better teams and also won much domestically You seem to think i am downplaying hos achievements in europe, far from it, the EL runs were fantastic, however the claim that gerrards euro record is better than previous managers (pedro not included cause that was utterly honking) is clearly wrong, especially as these previous managers were also doing it at home as well as abroad, OK off the top of my head Flo & Ball £18mill Gio, AN & AK £15mill Hendry & Amato £9mill Mols,Fernando, Bertie & RdB £18mill That is £60 million off the top of the head before you include guys like Reyna, McCann, Tugay,charbonier, Lovenkrands, Christensan, Nerlinger etc etc who were all in the 2/3 million bracket, if you go into transfer market they are out with the fees but he signed 24 players with the cheapest fee around 500k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 08/11/2021 at 18:42, Smile said: I came into give my opinion like everyone else, sadly I think it's that its utter shite and a dream wank for the filth and nothing more as Gerrard has already stated he's happy here. But lets ignore that and listen to random nonsense perpetuated by idiots. I cant even use the excuse I was drunk sadly. I guess I was too trusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 32,358 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Smile said: I cant even use the excuse I was drunk sadly. I guess I was too trusting. You drunk now mate? 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hadron Collider said: You drunk now mate? 😀 Will be soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TamCoopz 19,940 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smile said: Will be soon. You hate people a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AljayBoy 2,354 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 To be fair this is the best one of his I've seen: VID-20211112-WA0016.mp4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, hammer93 said: OK off the top of my head Flo & Ball £18mill Gio, AN & AK £15mill Hendry & Amato £9mill Mols,Fernando, Bertie & RdB £18mill That is £60 million off the top of the head before you include guys like Reyna, McCann, Tugay,charbonier, Lovenkrands, Christensan, Nerlinger etc etc who were all in the 2/3 million bracket, if you go into transfer market they are out with the fees but he signed 24 players with the cheapest fee around 500k Lovenkrands, tugay, charbonnier, christiansen and nerlinger were all under 2mill each Using wiki for quickness (not 100% accurate but nothing is with player fees) advocaats net spend over 4 seasons was around the 42mill mark, thats 4 seasons where his first was to replace 15 first team squad members from the failed 10iar season, 4 seasons that included 2 CL group stage appearances (worth maybe around 40mill in total back then) and 2 UEFA cup runs, one of which got us to europe after xmas for the first time in a decade Yup he spent a lot, but he also brought a lot in while winning trophies, (pity murrays wage sanctions cripples us, eck having to dismantle a treble winning team was a kick in the baws) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,462 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Lovenkrands, tugay, charbonnier, christiansen and nerlinger were all under 2mill each Using wiki for quickness (not 100% accurate but nothing is with player fees) advocaats net spend over 4 seasons was around the 42mill mark, thats 4 seasons where his first was to replace 15 first team squad members from the failed 10iar season, 4 seasons that included 2 CL group stage appearances (worth maybe around 40mill in total back then) and 2 UEFA cup runs, one of which got us to europe after xmas for the first time in a decade Yup he spent a lot, but he also brought a lot in while winning trophies, (pity murrays wage sanctions cripples us, eck having to dismantle a treble winning team was a kick in the baws) Again without going over old ground, my argument has always been that if Gerrard had been thrown a similar type of investment where he was signing good decent top end players like Advocaat was able to sign, I then believe Gerrard would have undeniably had a better chance especially in his first season, the fact we lost a cup semi to the sheep was as much to do with the squad depth being not good enough and having to rely on umar fucking sadiq to lead the line Last year we should no doubt have won the treble, that I wasn't happy about, but winning the league unbeaten softened the cup loses ever so slightly as I would have settled for that at the start If you compare like for like in rebuild jobs Charbonier(soon to be Klos) -Shagger Numan- Barisic Vidmar- Flanagan Hendry- Goldson Kancelskis- Grezda GvB - Arfield Amato-Lafferty Wallace-Kent Take into consideration what Advocaat was left with compared to Gerrard Amo, Porrini, Thern, Durie, Ian Ferguson, Gattuso and an up and coming Barry Ferguson Morelos, Jack, Tav Surely when you look at like that you must see that the odds are more heavily stacked in Dickies favour to be more successful immediately on the domestic scene Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 8 hours ago, hammer93 said: Again without going over old ground, my argument has always been that if Gerrard had been thrown a similar type of investment where he was signing good decent top end players like Advocaat was able to sign, I then believe Gerrard would have undeniably had a better chance especially in his first season, the fact we lost a cup semi to the sheep was as much to do with the squad depth being not good enough and having to rely on umar fucking sadiq to lead the line Last year we should no doubt have won the treble, that I wasn't happy about, but winning the league unbeaten softened the cup loses ever so slightly as I would have settled for that at the start If you compare like for like in rebuild jobs Charbonier(soon to be Klos) -Shagger Numan- Barisic Vidmar- Flanagan Hendry- Goldson Kancelskis- Grezda GvB - Arfield Amato-Lafferty Wallace-Kent Take into consideration what Advocaat was left with compared to Gerrard Amo, Porrini, Thern, Durie, Ian Ferguson, Gattuso and an up and coming Barry Ferguson Morelos, Jack, Tav Surely when you look at like that you must see that the odds are more heavily stacked in Dickies favour to be more successful immediately on the domestic scene Why did you leave out dorrans, middleton, candieas and halliday off the list gerrard inherited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,462 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Why did you leave out dorrans, middleton, candieas and halliday off the list gerrard inherited? I cause they four made a huge difference Just fucking admit the quality available to both managers was night and day ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, hammer93 said: I cause they four made a huge difference Just fucking admit the quality available to both managers was night and day ffs So candieas doesn't make a difference, but 2 game, perma injured jonas thern who retired due to injury helped advocaat to a treble? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,462 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: So candieas doesn't make a difference, but 2 game, perma injured jonas thern who retired due to injury helped advocaat to a treble? Look Jim if you can't work out the irony in your statement then I give up....3 of the 4 players you mention that actually got decent game time didn't kick a ball when we actually won the league....you know why....cause they weren't fucking good enough.....imagine digging up Thern whilst throwing in Dorransyou are mental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,609 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, hammer93 said: Look Jim if you can't work out the irony in your statement then I give up....3 of the 4 players you mention that actually got decent game time didn't kick a ball when we actually won the league....you know why....cause they weren't fucking good enough.....imagine digging up Thern whilst throwing in Dorransyou are mental Its a simple question, why did you make it out like gerrard only had 3 players when he came here while advocaat had more, I mean you gave advocaat gattuso who was sold in the october, so by that will we add windass to gerrards list, he played 5 games before being sold, surely that counts I find it strange why you discount guys like candeias, who played 52 times that season, middleton, halliday, mccrorie, all playing just under 30 games or more than 30 games, given our fantastic euro run that season, surely they were good enough bacl then no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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