Laudrupsleftfoot 12,420 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, Somemightsay7 said: The numbers show that isn't true. 5.68 expected assists, 5 actual assists. If people weren't finishing off the chances he created then there would be a big gap between that. Big Chances Created he's 25th in the league. Chances created he's 16th. Expected Assists 13th. For one of the main creative players at one of the top two in this league that is really poor. What’s Dessers xG compared to goals scored out of interest? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,811 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Awful comeback. Just awful graeme_4, BridgeIsBlue, Rangers_no1 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 74,109 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 49 minutes ago, Somemightsay7 said: I do agree he feels like one of these players where it's always someone else's fault. I remember thinking when he had his season the EPL 4-5 years ago he was decent, but looking back he only scored 6 goals and got 2 assists and didn't get a single G/A between 1st January and the end of the season - which was 16 games. He was then rubbish at Bournemouth and his last couple seasons as Norwich. Clearly talented but don't think he has the mentality for it. One of your classics where he seems to have thought he made it at an early age then just coasted. That the season they played Liverpool first night of the season? He looked class that night Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,420 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 4 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Awful comeback. Just awful It’s not a comeback - genuinely interested to see if Dessers xG is far higher than his goal tally. I don’t pay any attention to the expected goals or assist stats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 74,109 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 10 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: It’s not a comeback - genuinely interested to see if Dessers xG is far higher than his goal tally. I don’t pay any attention to the expected goals or assist stats. 17 in the league, scored 16. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 56,651 Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 I don’t really get xG tbh. To me there’s too many human factors in play to purely use data to determine how many goals or chances people should score or create. That maybe sounds a bit Rangers Da’, but yeah it’s not a stats driven concept I can fully get behind. Rangers_no1, HG5 and crazy bob swollenbaws 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 74,109 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 11 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: I don’t really get xG tbh. To me there’s too many human factors in play to purely use data to determine how many goals or chances people should score or create. That maybe sounds a bit Rangers Da’, but yeah it’s not a stats driven concept I can fully get behind. There’s loads now that are a load of shite, what the fuck are field tilts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 34,807 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 4 hours ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: Joshua Barrie made the good point that for Cantwell it’s largely the quality around him not finishing off his moves. Made up pish. The Specky Forum Organiser 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelavic191 4,815 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Lack of quality options that contribute goals cost us the cup final and the league. OrangeRab and BlueAvenger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,420 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said: 17 in the league, scored 16. Can’t be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somemightsay7 3,104 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: It’s not a comeback - genuinely interested to see if Dessers xG is far higher than his goal tally. I don’t pay any attention to the expected goals or assist stats. This page is good: https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/64/stats/premiership/players Says Dessers should have scored 3 more league goals. Although a good striker can obvious exceed his xG so maybe that should be 4-5 more. I'm not one to use expected stats as a benchmark - but when you include a number of different stats it gives you an idea. A lot of the guys below him are skewed because of penalties though - there isn't one I could see excluding penalties. Laudrupsleftfoot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somemightsay7 3,104 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: I don’t really get xG tbh. To me there’s too many human factors in play to purely use data to determine how many goals or chances people should score or create. That maybe sounds a bit Rangers Da’, but yeah it’s not a stats driven concept I can fully get behind. I don't think there's a problem with the stats as long as you take them in addition to actually watching someone. They're also good as a comparison of players as they're obviously not perfect, but they're not perfect for everyone so on the whole it should average out. Some people use them too much and base someone's entire performance on them though. AGM_72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,688 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Our system doesn't help matters either, overlapping fullbacks constantly mean your actual wingers have to come inside where the bulk of the bodies are, and get stifled out the game Then when we do actually get men in behind the fullbacks etc, everyone is so deep theres literally fuck all options in the box, its been like that since gerrard came How many games, OF especially, do we watch as one side of the opposition puts it across the box and it's the opposite side that puts it in at the backpost Yet we still ask the likes of tav, barisic etc to get up the park and whip crosses into no cunt from deep Get your wide men hitting the byline, and coming in at the back post, striker in the box and the number ten making the late run, maybe even two midfielders making late runs Our use of the number ten role has been honking for years bar when arfield actually got to play it HG5, graeme_4, crazy bob swollenbaws and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy bob swollenbaws 1,941 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 9 hours ago, superallysbears said: Tav is the reason imo, all well and good having his numbers but I think it takes onus away from other more conventional goal and assist area's of the team, we should have both working but the midfield have been terrible at it and Tav chipping in as he dose keeps the heat off it somewhat. I agree with this. His floaty balls get picked off more often than not. If they we decent with pace more chance of spillages or poor clearances for the midfielders to attack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,420 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 3 hours ago, Jimfanciesthedude said: Our system doesn't help matters either, overlapping fullbacks constantly mean your actual wingers have to come inside where the bulk of the bodies are, and get stifled out the game Then when we do actually get men in behind the fullbacks etc, everyone is so deep theres literally fuck all options in the box, its been like that since gerrard came How many games, OF especially, do we watch as one side of the opposition puts it across the box and it's the opposite side that puts it in at the backpost Yet we still ask the likes of tav, barisic etc to get up the park and whip crosses into no cunt from deep Get your wide men hitting the byline, and coming in at the back post, striker in the box and the number ten making the late run, maybe even two midfielders making late runs Our use of the number ten role has been honking for years bar when arfield actually got to play it You keep repeating this yet Arfield’s league goals after his first season were something like 4 to 6 a season. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,688 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 9 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: You keep repeating this yet Arfield’s league goals after his first season were something like 4 to 6 a season. Like i said, when he got to play it How many times did you see him play right number ten to basically cover for when tav went up the park Arfield was very good at making they late runs, finding pockets of space to link with our strikers Cantwell as a ten prefers to get the ball wider and deeper and play the passes, only thing is theres no one in the ten role half the time to back up dessers HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose48 987 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Got to love statistics 17.65 goals in 25.8 games or whatever. Bottom line is Dessers is not a strikers arsehole the number of times I have watched him get the ball stuck under his feet or just completely out of position to get a shot away. Compare him to Boyd or Miller of recent times or Jimmy Millar, Ralph Brand who put away half chances time and time again. Midfield players like Baxter, deBoer or Laudrup who could mesmerise defences and score goals, those were the days, but financially we play in a different park today. Those players were brought up in the tough environment of junior scottish, english or european football and honed skills on pitches no better than cow paddocks at times. It appears from newspaper stories we are tracking south American players who, while skilled, don't like the physical aspect of the game. We need to be looking at players in some of the european leagues for young talent even here in Australia some of the young talent in the A league would hack the physical nature of the scottish game better than most. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 21,811 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Recruitment has been our biggest hindrance since 55. Roughly 30 million spent on Colak, Davies, Matondo, Yilmaz, Dessers, Danilo, Lammers, Cantwell, Raskin and Cifuentes. That's disgusting. with that amount of bodies in over 2 summers we should have been looking at a team at least taking it to the last day this season. Tarriers have actually got pretty lucky with their recruitment. All their good and successful business seemed to happen in one season that's carried them right through to 3 in a row. They must be due a rebuild as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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