Scott-RFC 308 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 to punch the ball all of the timeThe last couple of games his tendency to come and punch has greatly increased. It is very unreliable and cost us yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_no1fan 13 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 There is already a post on this.1. He is only 6ft tall and if he punches the ball, he is able to get the ball out of the danger area, without the prospect of dropping the ball in the penalty area2. He comes a long way and usually in to traffic, it is hard to come over bodys and collect the ball safely3. Having seen the way he tapes up his hands, catching a ball with pace, swerve and dip would not be an easy thing to do.Its all about not making errors, unfortunatley he made one trying to punch the ball away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_RFC87 762 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 There is already a post on this.1. He is only 6ft tall and if he punches the ball, he is able to get the ball out of the danger area, without the prospect of dropping the ball in the penalty area2. He comes a long way and usually in to traffic, it is hard to come over bodys and collect the ball safely3. Having seen the way he tapes up his hands, catching a ball with pace, swerve and dip would not be an easy thing to do.Its all about not making errors, unfortunatley he made one trying to punch the ball away. good post his punching is excellent, but it isnt as safe as catching the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 941 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Agreed! I think his main error yesterday was actually coming for the ball in the 1st place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc72 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 He misjudged the flight of the ball and he jumped to early thats the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_no1fan 13 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 He misjudged the flight of the ball and he jumped to early thats the problem Indeed..... His positioning was the problem, not the fact he was going to punch the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythechamps08 2 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 to punch the ball all of the timeThe last couple of games his tendency to come and punch has greatly increased. It is very unreliable and cost us yesterday Dont think its a case of this just starting, hes always done it and its cost us a few times this season, still reckon despite being a bit dodgy on crosses hes the best we've got Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 imo punching the ball is always dodgy.Never the best option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo 197 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 MacGregor isn't great with cross balls, but neither was Klos but he knew this and stayed on his line and done what he does best, stops shots. MacGregor comes for far too many crosses that he may not get to, like Klos he's a good shot stopper and should take a leaf out of his book and stay on his line more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1690 Posts 71 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 He didn't try to punch the ball on Sunday, it was more of a flap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,283 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 MacGregor isn't great with cross balls, but neither was Klos but he knew this and stayed on his line and done what he does best, stops shots. MacGregor comes for far too many crosses that he may not get to, like Klos he's a good shot stopper and should take a leaf out of his book and stay on his line more often. The Graveson goal reminds me of the one Hartson scored at the Broomloan end 3 years ago, similar distance and angle.Klos stayed on his line for that one and was criticised for doing so.Basically the ball got through to Graveson who was unmarked with time and space to shoot, if McGragor had stayed on his line the ball would still have gone to Graveson and the outcome would have been the same.The question should be why he was given the space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo 197 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 MacGregor isn't great with cross balls, but neither was Klos but he knew this and stayed on his line and done what he does best, stops shots. MacGregor comes for far too many crosses that he may not get to, like Klos he's a good shot stopper and should take a leaf out of his book and stay on his line more often.The Graveson goal reminds me of the one Hartson scored at the Broomloan end 3 years ago, similar distance and angle.Klos stayed on his line for that one and was criticised for doing so.Basically the ball got through to Graveson who was unmarked with time and space to shoot, if McGragor had stayed on his line the ball would still have gone to Graveson and the outcome would have been the same.The question should be why he was given the space. I'm pretty sure if MacGregor had stayed on his line he would have saved it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1690 Posts 71 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 If McGregor had stayed on his line he'd have been in a position to try to save Gravesen's shot. At the angle he took it at there wasn't much goal to aim at, a save would have been likely.McGregor has made a few mistakes positionally and his decision making is sometimes suspect. He's a pretty good shot stopper but that doesn't not hide his deficiency's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueben_d 40 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 He has been punching more often recently, starting at about the Hearts game. The reason for this is that on most of the games we have played since then it has either been raining or the ground was already wet from previous rain. Hence the ball has been slippery and difficult to hold onto and he has decided to punch the ball more to remove the risk of dropping the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangers4eva 12 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 MacGregor isn't great with cross balls, but neither was Klos but he knew this and stayed on his line and done what he does best, stops shots. MacGregor comes for far too many crosses that he may not get to, like Klos he's a good shot stopper and should take a leaf out of his book and stay on his line more often.The Graveson goal reminds me of the one Hartson scored at the Broomloan end 3 years ago, similar distance and angle.Klos stayed on his line for that one and was criticised for doing so.Basically the ball got through to Graveson who was unmarked with time and space to shoot, if McGragor had stayed on his line the ball would still have gone to Graveson and the outcome would have been the same.The question should be why he was given the space. the goal that i think your on about only bet klos cos it took a deflection of Khizanishvili Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 he looked as if he was waving to somebody in the crowd the way he tried to take the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelfastBear 0 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I think we need to improve on stopping so many crosses coming into the box in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,283 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I think we need to improve on stopping so many crosses coming into the box in the first place. Correct, we give opponents too much space and time to make crosses. It feels like every cross is a potential goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager 498 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 AGREED! Both our fullbacks seem to let opposition players get wide without covering them and are too late to cut out the cross. Any cross with our defence is a big danger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Comung for crosses and punching, therefore taking the pressure off what is still a dodgy defense is absolutely fine.If/When he starts punching away shots, which he should be holding, then we should start looking at him punching.Making a mountain out of a molehill. All top class keepers punch, although some are more effective at doing it than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianGer 1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 imo punching the ball is always dodgy.Never the best option I don't know. Goram also punched the ball a lot but did it with such confidence and effectiveness that most people will insist that he caught crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1872 2 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I think the goal against the tims was Smiths fault.Smith was caught well out of position and got caught in the line of fire.I have never really seen any problem with the boy punching the ball, most of the time he gets good purchase on the ball and its punched away a decent distance.FFS what choice does he have with a defense who can't header a ball to save themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauba30 1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Ok - speaking as an ex-goalie here is how it goes.Some people think you have to catch the ball at all times, others prepare to punch However, the answer is, it doesnt matter!That's right. The most important thing is that you make your decision instantly and are decisive in executing it. To me, on Sunday, Alan was kind of caught between two stools and looked to be be tentative in both coming to a decision and then carrying it out. Thus, he ended up a yard and a half late to the party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauba30 1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 IMO Smith was not at fault for the goal. The Celtic player in front of goal was unmarked and Smith had to come off his man to try to pick him up. And anyway, if Alan had been decisive and punched that ball we would not be talking about Smiths positioning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc72 0 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 IMO Smith was not at fault for the goal. The Celtic player in front of goal was unmarked and Smith had to come off his man to try to pick him up. And anyway, if Alan had been decisive and punched that ball we would not be talking about Smiths positioningWell said that man Smith isnt to blame for the goal he is expectin MacGregor to either catch the ball or punch it but he does neither simply as i have said earlier in the post MacGregor miss judged the flight of the ball or he has had 1 eye on zurawski incase he stuck his head on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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