Rename Ibrox - Sell the name and get $$$$$$$$

[rab wilson 3,246]

there will be nothing left of the rangers that i have grown up with,if some people get their way.

Agreed with you most on here i think minstral. great quote. Before you know it, we will be wearing yellow jersey's to go with David Murray's yellow fuckin belly! No fuckin Surrender! Ibrox is the only name our ground can ever have

[minstral 5,375]

there will be nothing left of the rangers that i have grown up with,if some people get their way.

Agreed with you most on here i think minstral. great quote. Before you know it, we will be wearing yellow jersey's to go with David Murray's yellow fuckin belly! No fuckin Surrender! Ibrox is the only name our ground can ever have

spot on rab

[rossger 0]

Lets get the silverware, from the trophy room and sell that as well. Ibrox is the name, not some sponsers.

Dont sell our history.

I hope your avatar doesnt mean Billy Boys are dickheads or something

I think it's an advert for these:

http://www.billy-boy.com/english/condome/

I bought them in ibiza

[Stuart_RFC 41]

bollox to that, id rather the gers played in the third division than sell our soul

[Danny 9]

Question:

Arsenal sold their soul for money. They sold their stadium's name to Emirates in order to help fund the building of it.

They are also one of the big 4 in England, and regularly scale the heights of the CL, last season reaching the final.

If selling your soul/stadium etc for money, which will turn Rangers from the mediocrity we currently are to winners and serious European challengers, is the only way to progress the side, is it not short-sighted to dismiss it?

Are we so obsessed with keeping our stadium name/history etc that we will rather see it preserved and Rangers in their current state of losers for all eternity.

Or would you take the money, let us get better, and accept the commercialism in the modern age?

I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here; it's just such strong opinion in favour of preserving the club's purity at possible expense of success. And that interests me.

Firstly Danny our stadium is already built so we would not require that kind of financing.

Indeed, but are you aware they only got £100M for selling their name? We're not talking like £400M here, we're talking just the one. We are not referring to club-changing cash here. The ground cost them about £400M including loans.

My point here is that it's not like they sold their soul in order to completely fund the entire project, not even close. As such, 'that kind of financing' isn't anywhere near as high as you might think.

Secondly I cannot believe with our huge commercial interests we cannot compete in the financial stakes regarding investment for players etc... If things are really that bad you really have to wonder what kind of financial mismanagement is going on at our club.

Things really are that bad. THe last time we bought a player of the price Rangers should be able to afford was January 2005 and his name was Barry Ferguson. Regrettably, the money used for that transaction wasn't through club income - it was as a direct result of the £8M we got for the buy and sell deal that was JAB.

These days we simply cannot afford anything significant.

We cannot compete.

Between the JJB deal...stadium and shirt sponsorship and on top of that commercial sales surely we are capable of turning things around from the mediocrity you mentioned without resorting to selling our name.

The JJB cash has disappeared into a vacuous dark abyss, much like last season's CL money. We had £34M from those two ventures, yet the only outlay for players came to around £4.5M total.

Our income is being swallowed up, and not reinvested. The facts speak for themselves.

Where the income is going is anyone's guess.

[Danny 9]

bollox to that, id rather the gers played in the third division than sell our soul

Bold

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

Question:

Arsenal sold their soul for money. They sold their stadium's name to Emirates in order to help fund the building of it.

They are also one of the big 4 in England, and regularly scale the heights of the CL, last season reaching the final.

If selling your soul/stadium etc for money, which will turn Rangers from the mediocrity we currently are to winners and serious European challengers, is the only way to progress the side, is it not short-sighted to dismiss it?

Are we so obsessed with keeping our stadium name/history etc that we will rather see it preserved and Rangers in their current state of losers for all eternity.

Or would you take the money, let us get better, and accept the commercialism in the modern age?

I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here; it's just such strong opinion in favour of preserving the club's purity at possible expense of success. And that interests me.

Firstly Danny our stadium is already built so we would not require that kind of financing.

Indeed, but are you aware they only got £100M for selling their name? We're not talking like £400M here, we're talking just the one. We are not referring to club-changing cash here. The ground cost them about £400M including loans.

My point here is that it's not like they sold their soul in order to completely fund the entire project, not even close. As such, 'that kind of financing' isn't anywhere near as high as you might think.

Secondly I cannot believe with our huge commercial interests we cannot compete in the financial stakes regarding investment for players etc... If things are really that bad you really have to wonder what kind of financial mismanagement is going on at our club.

Things really are that bad. THe last time we bought a player of the price Rangers should be able to afford was January 2005 and his name was Barry Ferguson. Regrettably, the money used for that transaction wasn't through club income - it was as a direct result of the £8M we got for the buy and sell deal that was JAB.

These days we simply cannot afford anything significant.

We cannot compete.

Between the JJB deal...stadium and shirt sponsorship and on top of that commercial sales surely we are capable of turning things around from the mediocrity you mentioned without resorting to selling our name.

The JJB cash has disappeared into a vacuous dark abyss, much like last season's CL money. We had £34M from those two ventures, yet the only outlay for players came to around £4.5M total.

Our income is being swallowed up, and not reinvested. The facts speak for themselves.

Where the income is going is anyone's guess.

I was told Danny the JJB money was being held in reserve...I think the suggestion was that it would make us more of an attractive sellable asset. Perhaps Frankie can shed some light on this one.

The comments coming out of Ibrox regarding cash limits would suggest you are spot on with your financial assessment.

While I am against selling the name of our ground...I can see some merit in what you are saying....for instance..

If the choice was between compromise on the ground name or watching the tims achieve another NIAR..or even worse ten in a row....I think I would have little choice....ie the lesser of two evils.

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

No more giving in to any cultural change in our heritage, the Names Rangers and Ibrox Stadium are big enough to sell anywhere in the world if marketed properly. The right man at the helm would do that and at the moment we haven't got the leader that the Club and it's fans deserve. Lets draw a line in the sand and stop our our great Club being sold out for 30 pieces of silver !

[Frankie 505]

RE: JJB Deal

We received £18million up front with a minimum £3million per season on top of that. Last year £3.5million was released to the profit/loss account which obviously helps massage the figures somewhat. We also expected to make more than the minimum annual payment due to the 3 new strips - hence why we'll have another 3 new strips this season.

Now, I am sure SDM knows that the team requires investment. As such, he may use more of the £14.5million left of the initial payment to firstly release transfer funds to the manager, secondly increase season ticket sales and thirdly increase the commercial sales. A positive vicious circle if you like.

But, and it is a big but, Rangers will not be £5.9million in debt come the autumn. Because of no CL football and no domestic success that will have increased. Not to mention the payments starting on a multi-million pound loan from a few years back. Can't remember the exact amount of that but I think it's between £15-22million over the next 20 years.

Ergo, any method of investment, be it sponsorshiop of the stadium (or maybe even Murray Park) has to be welcomed. The RST submitted a 15 point plan last month as well of which the details are going to be discussed asap. That contained several ideas for investment but obviously, some of these may require intitial outlay and a period of time before profit is realised.

The financial picture at RFC isn't as bleak as a few years back and the JJB deal helps. However, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And the rainbow hasnt even appeared yet. Indeed, in many supporters' books it's still raining.

[nvager 498]

Great debate, But my thought was not to CHANGE THE NAME, but to sponsor it out like in

Carling Lager's IBROX STADIUm 2007

Nike IBROX STADIUM 2008

Stagecoach IBROX STADIUM 2009

Etc., Etc.

[Frankie 505]

Sponsoring the name is the best way. Similarly, individually sponsoring one or more of the 3 other stands (not the Bill Struth Stand obviously!) might be the best way to maximise such revenue.

I think Carling did that with Bar 72 so it's possible such a venture may be extended to the similar bars for the Copland/Broomie Stands.

However, can I just re-iterate it certainly won't be for the kind of money Arsenal or the other EPL teams have made.

[nvager 498]

Sponsoring the name is the best way. Similarly, individually sponsoring one or more of the 3 other stands (not the Bill Struth Stand obviously!) might be the best way to maximise such revenue.

I think Carling did that with Bar 72 so it's possible such a venture may be extended to the similar bars for the Copland/Broomie Stands.

However, can I just re-iterate it certainly won't be for the kind of money Arsenal or the other EPL teams have made.

Thats UNDERSTOOD Frankie, but we seem to be in DIRE NEED of income. Correct?

[Frankie 505]

Yes, which is why I have BACKED such a scheme in every post I've made.

[THEFISH 0]

RE: JJB Deal

We received ?18million up front with a minimum ?3million per season on top of that. Last year ?3.5million was released to the profit/loss account which obviously helps massage the figures somewhat. We also expected to make more than the minimum annual payment due to the 3 new strips - hence why we'll have another 3 new strips this season.

Now, I am sure SDM knows that the team requires investment. As such, he may use more of the ?14.5million left of the initial payment to firstly release transfer funds to the manager, secondly increase season ticket sales and thirdly increase the commercial sales. A positive vicious circle if you like.

But, and it is a big but, Rangers will not be ?5.9million in debt come the autumn. Because of no CL football and no domestic success that will have increased. Not to mention the payments starting on a multi-million pound loan from a few years back. Can't remember the exact amount of that but I think it's between ?15-22million over the next 20 years.

Ergo, any method of investment, be it sponsorshiop of the stadium (or maybe even Murray Park) has to be welcomed. The RST submitted a 15 point plan last month as well of which the details are going to be discussed asap. That contained several ideas for investment but obviously, some of these may require intitial outlay and a period of time before profit is realised.

The financial picture at RFC isn't as bleak as a few years back and the JJB deal helps. However, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And the rainbow hasnt even appeared yet. Indeed, in many supporters' books it's still raining.

Frankie are you burying you head in the sand coz Ive read your posts for approx 2 weeks without little reply from ma self coz you dont really appreciate where Im and we coming from...Im going to stick ma neck out here an say you are tryimg to influence our fellow blunoses with a pile o pesh

I will come straight to the point....take this pesh over to FOLLOW FOLLOW with yer mate Dingwall coz you are all feckin hypocrites

[Frankie 505]

Frankie are you burying you head in the sand coz Ive read your posts for approx 2 weeks without little reply from ma self coz you dont really appreciate where Im and we coming from...Im going to stick ma neck out here an say you are tryimg to influence our fellow blunoses with a pile o pesh

I will come straight to the point....take this pesh over to FOLLOW FOLLOW with yer mate Dingwall coz you are all feckin hypocrites

What are you on about?

I am one of Murray biggest critics and the post above paints a worrying financial picture which is why I want a new chairman/owner asap.

Can you actually read?

[evenstevens 891]

RE: JJB Deal

We received ?18million up front with a minimum ?3million per season on top of that. Last year ?3.5million was released to the profit/loss account which obviously helps massage the figures somewhat. We also expected to make more than the minimum annual payment due to the 3 new strips - hence why we'll have another 3 new strips this season.

Now, I am sure SDM knows that the team requires investment. As such, he may use more of the ?14.5million left of the initial payment to firstly release transfer funds to the manager, secondly increase season ticket sales and thirdly increase the commercial sales. A positive vicious circle if you like.

But, and it is a big but, Rangers will not be ?5.9million in debt come the autumn. Because of no CL football and no domestic success that will have increased. Not to mention the payments starting on a multi-million pound loan from a few years back. Can't remember the exact amount of that but I think it's between ?15-22million over the next 20 years.

Ergo, any method of investment, be it sponsorshiop of the stadium (or maybe even Murray Park) has to be welcomed. The RST submitted a 15 point plan last month as well of which the details are going to be discussed asap. That contained several ideas for investment but obviously, some of these may require intitial outlay and a period of time before profit is realised.

The financial picture at RFC isn't as bleak as a few years back and the JJB deal helps. However, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And the rainbow hasnt even appeared yet. Indeed, in many supporters' books it's still raining.

Frankie are you burying you head in the sand coz Ive read your posts for approx 2 weeks without little reply from ma self coz you dont really appreciate where Im and we coming from...Im going to stick ma neck out here an say you are tryimg to influence our fellow blunoses with a pile o pesh

I will come straight to the point....take this pesh over to FOLLOW FOLLOW with yer mate Dingwall coz you are all feckin hypocrites

Fish - Frankie gives the forum some quotes, figures and analysis in his post. You just call is pesh without any of the same input as Frankie.

For example, why is he a hypocrite? In what way is he trying to influence us? What figures do you have to back that up?

evens

[nvager 498]

RE: JJB Deal

We received ?18million up front with a minimum ?3million per season on top of that. Last year ?3.5million was released to the profit/loss account which obviously helps massage the figures somewhat. We also expected to make more than the minimum annual payment due to the 3 new strips - hence why we'll have another 3 new strips this season.

Now, I am sure SDM knows that the team requires investment. As such, he may use more of the ?14.5million left of the initial payment to firstly release transfer funds to the manager, secondly increase season ticket sales and thirdly increase the commercial sales. A positive vicious circle if you like.

But, and it is a big but, Rangers will not be ?5.9million in debt come the autumn. Because of no CL football and no domestic success that will have increased. Not to mention the payments starting on a multi-million pound loan from a few years back. Can't remember the exact amount of that but I think it's between ?15-22million over the next 20 years.

Ergo, any method of investment, be it sponsorshiop of the stadium (or maybe even Murray Park) has to be welcomed. The RST submitted a 15 point plan last month as well of which the details are going to be discussed asap. That contained several ideas for investment but obviously, some of these may require intitial outlay and a period of time before profit is realised.

The financial picture at RFC isn't as bleak as a few years back and the JJB deal helps. However, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And the rainbow hasnt even appeared yet. Indeed, in many supporters' books it's still raining.

Frankie are you burying you head in the sand coz Ive read your posts for approx 2 weeks without little reply from ma self coz you dont really appreciate where Im and we coming from...Im going to stick ma neck out here an say you are tryimg to influence our fellow blunoses with a pile o pesh

I will come straight to the point....take this pesh over to FOLLOW FOLLOW with yer mate Dingwall coz you are all feckin hypocrites

Fish - Frankie gives the forum some quotes, figures and analysis in his post. You just call is pesh without any of the same input as Frankie.

For example, why is he a hypocrite? In what way is he trying to influence us? What figures do you have to back that up?

evens

Fishyface pushing more buttons! What's new?

[bauba30 1]

I'm in 2 minds about this one. On one hand, the thought of Rangers playing at BP Park or the like just doesn't sound right

Then again, I have seen sports teams over here do it for really a lot of dough

What if some huge company offered us 50 million quid over 10 years for the naming rights. Half of it paid now, the other half after 5 years

Would tempt anyone? I don't know, I would still be on the fence.

[nvager 498]

I'm in 2 minds about this one. On one hand, the thought of Rangers playing at BP Park or the like just doesn't sound right

Then again, I have seen sports teams over here do it for really a lot of dough

What if some huge company offered us 50 million quid over 10 years for the naming rights. Half of it paid now, the other half after 5 years

Would tempt anyone? I don't know, I would still be on the fence.

As long as they KEEP IBROX in the overall name I would take the money. WE NEED IT.

[Boabe 1]

As long as they KEEP IBROX in the overall name I would take the money. WE NEED IT.

Totally agree it would still be Ibrox to everyone on here. Its not suddenly going to erase everything the club has done up till now. I dont think it is "selling our soul" as some have put it. I would draw the line at changing the team name but Ibrox will still be Ibrox just with the chance of better players on the pitch which has to be a welcome thing.

[nvager 498]

Sponsoring the name is the best way. Similarly, individually sponsoring one or more of the 3 other stands (not the Bill Struth Stand obviously!) might be the best way to maximise such revenue.

I think Carling did that with Bar 72 so it's possible such a venture may be extended to the similar bars for the Copland/Broomie Stands.

However, can I just re-iterate it certainly won't be for the kind of money Arsenal or the other EPL teams have made.

Id prefer to have the 3 stands sponsored rather than the entire stadium

I think some money could be had by sponsoring the stands or the stadium to some extent - would not rule it out.

[ricardopatrese 0]

Lets get the silverware, from the trophy room and sell that as well. Ibrox is the name, not some sponsers.

Dont sell our history.

I hope your avatar doesnt mean Billy Boys are dickheads or something

I think it's an advert for these:

http://www.billy-boy.com/english/condome/

coloured, flavoured !

Is that for blow jobs or what...never had a blow job with a johnny on

Ok cue the...youve never had a blow job..... period !!!

How about "youve never had a..... period" coz ye are a big fuckin lassie after all fish. and ye get yer kicks out of annoyin all the boys on here.

gettin back to the matter in hand.... leave ibrox alone. this is a daft questionanyway, i's all relative to the Sky TV exposure and we may sing a different tune if 200mil was dangled in front of us, but the way scottish footie is run its more likely to be 200 gingie bottles.

[THEFISH 0]

Lets get the silverware, from the trophy room and sell that as well. Ibrox is the name, not some sponsers.

Dont sell our history.

I hope your avatar doesnt mean Billy Boys are dickheads or something

I think it's an advert for these:

http://www.billy-boy.com/english/condome/

coloured, flavoured !

Is that for blow jobs or what...never had a blow job with a johnny on

Ok cue the...youve never had a blow job..... period !!!

How about "youve never had a..... period" coz ye are a big fuckin lassie after all fish. and ye get yer kicks out of annoyin all the boys on here.

gettin back to the matter in hand.... leave ibrox alone. this is a daft questionanyway, i's all relative to the Sky TV exposure and we may sing a different tune if 200mil was dangled in front of us, but the way scottish footie is run its more likely to be 200 gingie bottles.

Get yer gums roon this ya nancy boy racing drivers rent boy :pipeguy:

[nvager 498]

Not a daft question - we NEED money and if we can get some by decent sponsorship - lets take it.