AGM_72 3,649 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Frank Sinclair was just on SSN saying there should be a quota system. Why? If a candidate isn't good enough, he will not get the job.There was a huge deal made about there being no black managers in the EPL, Blackburn hired Paul Ince and he failed miserably. A quota system is a terrible idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers 96 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 They have a rule in the NFL where if a team is looking for a new head coach, they have to interview at least one minority candidate. It's essentially turned into a farce with the same poor black/hispanic dudes being run in for an interview when they have no chance at the job.I would tend to think if a manager is good enough, he'll get the job regardless of his race (or at least I'd hope that's the case) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy500 463 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 A quota system is far more racist than how things are being run now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,649 Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 They have a rule in the NFL where if a team is looking for a new head coach, they have to interview at least one minority candidate. It's essentially turned into a farce with the same poor black/hispanic dudes being run in for an interview when they have no chance at the job.I would tend to think if a manager is good enough, he'll get the job regardless of his race (or at least I'd hope that's the case) That's ridiculous.Maybe we're both just naive mate, but that's how I believe things are run. If you're good enough, you'll get the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdunsmb 43 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 A quota system is far more racist than how things are being run now.Exactly. If a Black manager was the best candidate for a job, he would be appointed. We are not racist but introducing a patronising quota system would be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
demise 3,517 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think there are some good black managers in England. John Barnes, for example Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_ni 12 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 what a ridiculous idea, if you are good enough you will get the job and be successful in the job no matter what colour your skin is. A quota system wouldnt even be legal imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose_72 198 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 If you are the best candidate for the job then you will get it regardless of your skin colour.Stupid idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintonGrey 365 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What I hate about this is that implies there is some fort of institutionalised racism in English football.It could not even be farther from the truth! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Why is there a lack of good quality black candidates for managers jobs in the UK? is what should be being asked.ExactlyWhere are these promising black managers who keep being overlooked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Chris Powell seems to be a doing a decent job at Charlton so far, if he keeps that up no doubt he'll move onto bigger things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintonGrey 365 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well, about 1 in every 50 people in the UK is black, so about 1 in every 50 managers should be black as well.So, thats about 2 black managers for the 94 football league clubsSo, Chris Hughton and Chris Powell? I really don't see what the problem is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Being the best qualified for the job doesn't always mean you'll get the job. There are various factors involved. I highly doubt there is institutionalised racism in football, but it still exists in many other occupations in Britain. My dissertation was actually on employment law & positive action enshrined in the Equality Act 2010. If anyone's interested, i'll post it for download. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Maybe there just pish? The only black manager i have saw was paul ince, and look what he done, fuck all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Chris Powell seems to be a doing a decent job at Charlton so far, if he keeps that up no doubt he'll move onto bigger things.oh aye a forgot about him. did he not used to play for charlton aswell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 oh aye a forgot about him. did he not used to play for charlton aswell?Yep, got 5 England caps under Sven as well. This rule is ridiculous, and plenty of black people in the country will agree i'm sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy500 463 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 To be fair it's not just a football thing. These things are everywhere.Positive discrimination in the work place means white males are probably more discriminated against than anyone now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 To be fair it's not just a football thing. These things are everywhere.Positive discrimination in the work place means white males are probably more discriminated against than anyone now.That's just not true. Positive discrimination is illegal in the UK and the EU, we have Positive Action here but that entire line is just not true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradfield 35 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Would quotas be based on population demographics, or numbers of players playing in the league at the time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintonGrey 365 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Would quotas be based on population demographics, or numbers of players playing in the league at the time?What they want to implement is not really a quota, but the 'Rooney Law' that currently exists in the NFL (American Football) in which every managerial vacancy must allow for at least a single interview of a candidate from a minority, regardless of their suitability for the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What they want to implement is not really a quota, but the 'Rooney Law' that currently exists in the NFL (American Football) in which every managerial vacancy must allow for at least a single interview of a candidate from a minority, regardless of their suitability for the job.That is currently not possible in the UK due to our Employment/Discrimination Law structure and EU regulations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waste 8 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well, about 1 in every 50 people in the UK is black, so about 1 in every 50 managers should be black as well.So, thats about 2 black managers for the 94 football league clubsSo, Chris Hughton and Chris Powell? I really don't see what the problem is.Only 2 % of the uk's population is black? Hardly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossDas 1,071 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What I want to know is how many black people have actually attempted to become managers, earned coaching badges, and have been prepared to manage an entry-level lower league side? As others have pointed out, the number of black managers at the top is hardly disproportionate; the whole thing reeks of social redecorating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waste 8 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 And the question that should be asked is how many good black managers are there in football in general Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzareyes 220 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What gets me is, if I owned a football club, who has the authority to tell me who I can and can not hire as manager of my club?It's ridiculous, Imagine Abramovich trying to win things with Chelsea ploughing the club with money and then saying oh I better appoint so and so because he's black, lets just forget about trying to win anything, at least we will be shown to be doing the right thing. Nonsense.To be fair though I remember either reading something or watching that said it was more to do with black players finishing their playing careers and the opportunities to go into coaching weren't really there, which would obviously take away their chances of becoming a manager further down the line.Ideally anyone should be able to take there coaching badges and there shouldn't be any discrimination regarding that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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