Gaz92 966 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Now, the more I think about it the more cynical I seem to view the events of today.Since Green has become PB, he's had a lot of dirty work to do, none more so than piecing together the CVA, which was sadly rejected. I just can't help but feel there's something wrong with the timing of Walter's consortium. Green's came in, done the dirty work and now Walter and co swoop in after Green has started off the hard work and faced up to the reality of what lies ahead. Walter knew his bid would get the backing of the fans, because it's Walter being backed by a fairly well-known Scots businessman. But where were they before? Can't help but feel the timing is a bit convenient, after Green has taken the fall and made the tough decision of having to accept a newco.If you were Green and his backers, would you not be wanting a bit of compensation? I know Green has barely even started the road to recovery, but he's made the decisions that the fans were going to resent, and now we've got the Rangers men coming in to "save the day" when the game has been changed. Trying to take an objective view of the situation, is Green within his rights to hold out for a bit of money from Walter and co? It's very easy for Walter to say that Green should do the right thing and step aside, but I doubt he'll go down easily, and I don't mean a few hundred grand extra. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafan01 3 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I was going to post something similar to this but bottled out seeing as how i'm new on here and couldn't be arsed with the taig accusations ---anyway tin hat on now for agreeing with you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Now, the more I think about it the more cynical I seem to view the events of today.Since Green has become PB, he's had a lot of dirty work to do, none more so than piecing together the CVA, which was sadly rejected. I just can't help but feel there's something wrong with the timing of Walter's consortium. Green's came in, done the dirty work and now Walter and co swoop in after Green has started off the hard work and faced up to the reality of what lies ahead. Walter knew his bid would get the backing of the fans, because it's Walter being backed by a fairly well-known Scots businessman. But where were they before? Can't help but feel the timing is a bit convenient, after Green has taken the fall and made the tough decision of having to accept a newco.If you were Green and his backers, would you not be wanting a bit of compensation? I know Green has barely even started the road to recovery, but he's made the decisions that the fans were going to resent, and now we've got the Rangers men coming in to "save the day" when the game has been changed. Trying to take an objective view of the situation, is Green within his rights to hold out for a bit of money from Walter and co? It's very easy for Walter to say that Green should do the right thing and step aside, but I doubt he'll go down easily, and I don't mean a few hundred grand extra.Am I missing something?That's surely exactly what he's going to do?Who exactly is it that expects Green to walk away with no profit? He's entitled to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 Am I missing something?That's surely exactly what he's going to do?Who exactly is it that expects Green to walk away with no profit? He's entitled to itWill the RST and others planning on delaying season tickets accept it if Green doesn't believe the offer is what he expects? In fact, will anyone accept it if the offer isn't enough? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisburnranger 36 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I have to disagree with this. Walter and his consortium didn't just decide on a whim yesterday that they were going to do this. The discussions will have been going on for weeks. Before Charles Green was named preferred bidder, there was a chance TBK/BK would have been the ones to win the race to be PB. Once they weren't and there was the potential for a CVA, it would have been foolish for any other parties to rock the boat. It was only once the CVA was rejected that the opportunity was there for another bidder. I may be in the minority, but I believe CG is bad news for the club. He openly admits that this is a commercial arrangement for him. He is more interested in returning a profit for his investors than the clubs prosperity.Being liquidated and a newco formed is a disaster for us. The prospect of having real Rangers men at the helm softens that blow a little. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiadreamin52 339 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 It will be what it has always been about Money Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stampyurie 203 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I was going to post something similar to this but bottled out seeing as how i'm new on here and couldn't be arsed with the taig accusations ---anyway tin hat on now for agreeing with youAh so u know the drill, welcome.I agree green done what needed to be done while (true) rangers men sat on the thumbs doing nothing. He deserves credit rather than the abuse he seems to be gettin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with your point of view. It don't see much wrong with what Green has done so far. With the nature of his bid, saying he would accept anyone who is willing to put money in, I don't see why there couldn't be a compromise to get Walter and Jim McColl involved with the existing consortium??It is after all about saving the football club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Will the RST and others planning on delaying season tickets accept it if Green doesn't believe the offer is what he expects? In fact, will anyone accept it if the offer isn't enough?No they won't. Walter will certainly be the only show in town now.Still, nobody is saying he should just hand over the club, which is what you seemed to say? Fully expect him to make a profit, and rightly so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 I have to disagree with this. Walter and his consortium didn't just decide on a whim yesterday that they were going to do this. The discussions will have been going on for weeks. Before Charles Green was named preferred bidder, there was a chance TBK/BK would have been the ones to win the race to be PB. Once they weren't and there was the potential for a CVA, it would have been foolish for any other parties to rock the boat. It was only once the CVA was rejected that the opportunity was there for another bidder. I may be in the minority, but I believe CG is bad news for the club. He openly admits that this is a commercial arrangement for him. He is more interested in returning a profit for his investors than the clubs prosperity.Being liquidated and a newco formed is a disaster for us. The prospect of having real Rangers men at the helm softens that blow a little.I'm sure they have been going on for weeks, but that doesn't change the timing of when it was actually announced. The day that the CVA was officially rejected? I'm really not saying that Walter and co aren't the better option for the long-term, but this could have been on the cards long before now. You don't think there's an element of letting Green getting the dirty work done before slipping in? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafan01 3 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Well seeing as how i've not been shouted down (yet) i thought i'd add my wee view on thingsCould Green be to Walter and Co what Whyte was to Murray except in reverse --if you know what i mean and it's all been part of "The Plan" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Well seeing as how i've not been shouted down (yet) i thought i'd add my wee view on thingsCould Green be to Walter and Co what Whyte was to Murray except in reverse --if you know what i mean and it's all been part of "The Plan"Taig!Ha na, just kidding.Yea, that wouldn't surprise me really Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delamonty 992 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Green deserves respect. He has worked hard throughout this. Of course I want Sir Walter in...but harassing Green shows zero class. We're better than that.If Walter's group gets control, fantastic, if not, Green still makes the right statements and I believe in him. Done what he'd said he'd do so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafan01 3 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 i sort of alluded to it in a thread i put up about Super(smart)Ally playing Greenmibbe i should start another "conspiracy" thread seeing as how the are quite poular Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,501 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Well seeing as how i've not been shouted down (yet) i thought i'd add my wee view on thingsCould Green be to Walter and Co what Whyte was to Murray except in reverse --if you know what i mean and it's all been part of "The Plan"I know exactly what you mean and no. Just can't see it. Green wants to make money. Walter would not have been any less of a hero had his consortium been the ones to start the newco. The two are not linked IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with your point of view. It don't see much wrong with what Green has done so far. With the nature of his bid, saying he would accept anyone who is willing to put money in, I don't see why there couldn't be a compromise to get Walter and Jim McColl involved with the existing consortium??It is after all about saving the football club.If they say they're more interested in saving the club than owning it, I don't understand why they couldn't become involved in it. Unless the problem is in fact Green (which I assume it is). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I have to disagree with this. Walter and his consortium didn't just decide on a whim yesterday that they were going to do this. The discussions will have been going on for weeks. Before Charles Green was named preferred bidder, there was a chance TBK/BK would have been the ones to win the race to be PB. Once they weren't and there was the potential for a CVA, it would have been foolish for any other parties to rock the boat. It was only once the CVA was rejected that the opportunity was there for another bidder. I may be in the minority, but I believe CG is bad news for the club. He openly admits that this is a commercial arrangement for him. He is more interested in returning a profit for his investors than the clubs prosperity.Being liquidated and a newco formed is a disaster for us. The prospect of having real Rangers men at the helm softens that blow a little.Would Wattie and Co have raised their head if a CVA had been agreed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemc 305 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with your point of view. It don't see much wrong with what Green has done so far. With the nature of his bid, saying he would accept anyone who is willing to put money in, I don't see why there couldn't be a compromise to get Walter and Jim McColl involved with the existing consortium??It is after all about saving the football club.I agree why dont they join together the more men with money and the Gers at heart the better IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac 1,405 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with your point of view. It don't see much wrong with what Green has done so far. With the nature of his bid, saying he would accept anyone who is willing to put money in, I don't see why there couldn't be a compromise to get Walter and Jim McColl involved with the existing consortium??It is after all about saving the football club.Agree with this. The Green consortium shareholding would be diluted but the club would have more money to play with and recover much quicker. I think everyone could win here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 FFS. The only way Sir Walters Teams bid was possible was via a newco. At least Mr Green had the balls to bite the bullet and do it.GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE! He hasnt let us down so far.Sir Walter may be at the helm one day, but for now we have a new owner, with some very good ideas. He speaks a good game, now lets see if he can achieve what hes set out to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac 1,405 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with your point of view. It don't see much wrong with what Green has done so far. With the nature of his bid, saying he would accept anyone who is willing to put money in, I don't see why there couldn't be a compromise to get Walter and Jim McColl involved with the existing consortium??It is after all about saving the football club.Agree with this. The Green consortium shareholding would be diluted but the club would have more money to play with and recover much quicker. I think everyone could win here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 FFS. The only way Sir Walters Teams bid was possible was via a newco. At least Mr Green had the balls to bite the bullet and do it.GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE! He hasnt let us down so far.Sir Walter may be at the helm one day, but for now we have a new owner, with some very good ideas. He speaks a good game, now lets see if he can achieve what hes set out to.I still worry about who he sells to down the road. No reason to sell to the right people. Could sell it to whoever, as long as he makes profit, as he is within his rights to do. Would you not rather get that fear out of the way and see it in safe hands? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Agree with this. The Green consortium shareholding would be diluted but the club would have more money to play with and recover much quicker. I think everyone could win here. That looks the best option and the one Green wants, after he said that most of his investors would be open to selling their shares Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,442 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Depends, am I actually a backer in this hypothetical question or did I just offer him a fiver at some point and he has said I'm a backer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Agree with this. The Green consortium shareholding would be diluted but the club would have more money to play with and recover much quicker. I think everyone could win here.Exactly As much as I love Walter it is about a lot more than one man. The club needs a mix of people that care about the club and those that care about the business so that we never, ever, find ourselves in this position again! On a side note I don't want the company turned into a plc, that in my opinion is not the way for a football club to be run. Gets in the way of long term planning and investment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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