KeyserSoze 14,700 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 There might be a thread elsewhere discussing this topic - but does playing in the 3rd div automatically make Lee Wallace a pish player? Surely by virtue of the headline and article (shit as it is btw) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/scotland/9456258/Craig-Levein-says-it-will-be-difficult-for-Rangers-players-to-make-step-up-to-Scotland-but-refuses-to-close-door.html#good players are good players despite the opposition! The difference is that we have had players "drop" into this league - I think that there is a big dry boak from Levein when considering including a player who is now plying his trade in a league other than the sphell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Is he a fucking idiot?, wait ask a silly question these guys are proven SPL and some CL players, there is no 'step up' these players are used to winning, playing for Scotland is a step down for them Craig! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmo21 15 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 It simply means our players will be tested less each week due to weaker competition.I think it's fair comment to be honest.You'll probably get someone saying "If Messi played here he'd still be Messi" etc, but I think you have to compare players of a similar level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,622 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 How did he ever make the step up he is a piss poor manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,700 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'm sure Lee Wallace is not going to be hurt by comments made by a guy who has won feck all in football management and who playes with no strikers. Scotland will always be a joke with that idiot in charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc 15 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Well Craig stick your scotland team and SFA up your arse Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 It simply means our players will be tested less each week due to weaker competition.I think it's fair comment to be honest.You'll probably get someone saying "If Messi played here he'd still be Messi" etc, but I think you have to compare players of a similar level.Ok, if McGregor played here he would still be McGregor and still Scotland Number 1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manno 11 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 It's understandable but I don't agree that Wallace playing in Div 3 will make him any less of a player, in my eyes it's going to toughen a lot of our players up. Realistically he's the only Scot we have who would have been a regular in the squad, but as I've said on other posts, Bardsley, Crainey and Mulgrew were all ahead of him (remember Wallace was out for most of the 2010-11 season due to injury) and Levein does love capping players just because they play down south. It is only a friendly, maybe he will get a recall. The fact is, Levein is the most tactically inept manager I've seen through my years following Scotland. The USA defeat highlighted that, as he has no Plan B whatsoever. Wallace would be backup to Bardsley anyway, plus as I mentioned elsewhere there are a few fixture clashes between Scotland and SFL competitions this year which would make it harder for him to get picked. I'm sure Wallace was aware of this when he agreed to stay at the club, he's just going to have to prove everybody wrong if he really wants to play for both Rangers in the SFL and Scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lathos 21 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I appreciate its Scotland and all players want to play for their country. But if this is what he is basing his choices on rather than picking the best Scots players, is anyone going to really want to play for them, knowing the tumble down the rankings the Scots are going to take due to the co efficient etc etc. I am a proud Scots supporter but when choices like this are made you realise just why we are in the position we are with qualification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueVanguard 7,069 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Well Craig stick your scotland team and SFA up your arseBeat me to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryMc 2,398 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Surely now though the players who get selected from the SPL are now playing in a weaker league due to us not being there and therefore may not be able to "make the step up" No? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltzer83 27 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 How did he ever make the step up he is a piss poor manager.My thoughts exactly terrible football manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmo21 15 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Ok, if McGregor played here he would still be McGregor and still Scotland Number 1.eh, kind of missed the whole point of my post.While the SPL strikers might not be great, they'd be testing McGregor way more than the part time 3rd divisioners would.Sharpness would be lost. Levein is still a dick, but I find it hard to disagree with him on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Surely now though the players who get selected from the SPL are now playing in a weaker league due to us not being there and therefore may not be able to "make the step up" No? Yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,700 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Is there really that much difference between Peterhead and Calley Thistle? It's not as if these players were up against the cream in the SPL. If CL is willing to leave out quality players then he will lose his job and I for one can't wait for that day.FUCK OFF Levein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manno 11 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Surely now though the players who get selected from the SPL are now playing in a weaker league due to us not being there and therefore may not be able to "make the step up" No?Totally agree. I think the one positive I take out of us being in Div 3 (as a Scotland follower) is that a lot more youngsters will come through. But the likes of United and Hearts are unlikely to sell to Celtic because they would then be enhancing the competition, and ruining any chances of winning anything (as unlikely as it already is). Celtic's best players will leave next summer or the summer of 2014, leaving them with the likes of Forrest and McGeough as the main men, standard of league will probably decline rapidly. Can't see many players outwith Celtic getting capped because they'll be playing at a low level compared to those playing in League One Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Proddie1690 132 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Surely now though the players who get selected from the SPL are now playing in a weaker league due to us not being there and therefore may not be able to "make the step up" No?well said.. id rather none of our players play for scotland anyway, weve a limited squad and will be in four competotions this season, we cant afford guys getting silly injuries while playing for the jacobites Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR1979 1,987 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Poor show considering Wallace was out for a season while getting injured playing for Scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AljayBoy 2,324 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 4-6-0 Craig. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryMc 2,398 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Totally agree. I think the one positive I take out of us being in Div 3 (as a Scotland follower) is that a lot more youngsters will come through. But the likes of United and Hearts are unlikely to sell to Celtic because they would then be enhancing the competition, and ruining any chances of winning anything (as unlikely as it already is). Celtic's best players will leave next summer or the summer of 2014, leaving them with the likes of Forrest and McGeough as the main men, standard of league will probably decline rapidly. Can't see many players outwith Celtic getting capped because they'll be playing at a low level compared to those playing in League OneThey will sell to Celtic in a second if the money is right. However by the time we are back in the SPL Celtic will be a shadow of what they are just now. And to be honest they are not much right now and nothing to be afraid of. As soon as CL football is out of the picture then they will lose their best players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysblue 709 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Difficult to disagree with him in this instance - however my view is that he is clueless in that role but hey its the SFA so who cares anymore - I will never darken Hampden ever again for an SFA match, even if we are involved Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,700 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Ok, if McGregor played here he would still be McGregor and still Scotland Number 1.Deffo... the league only finished in May. all of a sudden Lee Wallace is not fit to play for Scotland Does he start playing poorly because of where he is! doubt it. take this scenario.... Rangers Hump everyone in sight...including knocking the scum out the cup... would Levein swallow his dry boak and call a few up DOUBT IT! cos the man is a complete and utter waste of space and cant think past keeping his bosses tight. Wallace would be Wallace wherever he played, McGregor is McGregor even in Turkey!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryMc 2,398 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 well said.. id rather none of our players play for scotland anyway, weve a limited squad and will be in four competotions this season, we cant afford guys getting silly injuries while playing for the jacobitesI'm not ashamed to admit that I've been a Scotland fan for as long as I can remember and I always felt proud seeing our players do well for our Country but after whats happened lately I am only concerned about us now and by our players not playing for Scotland it can only benefit us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Levein will be gone as Scotland manager before we are back in the SPhelL, he is fucking tragic as a manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'd be happy if no Rangers player ever played for the sfa's team again, or their failure of a manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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