Bickering, Personal Abuse, Etc...

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,794]

You might well make some good points, but the fact is, the tories have no mandate to govern Scotland, and it never has. Yet it has done for large parts of the last century. Any person/party trying to change that, can't be all bad.

Once the no vote goes through, like you seem so confident that it will do, expect a barrage of cuts from from westminster to head Scotlands way. There is already a queue of english MP's waiting to lessen Scottish powers in Britain's affairs. Be careful what you wish for.

At least I would still have a job. At this rate the SNP are going to ensure I don't have one!

They have provided NO reassurances on the economy and the "oor oil" speeches just do not wash! I would rather any other party fight the tories than the SNP because no other political party has threatened my job etc as much as the SNP have.

[GrandSuckMaster 1,775]

I do so fuck ya.

Put down the wine Rino.

[FernandoR20 2,133]

Put down the wine Rino.

Just because we aren't in the OT, doesn't mean you can get cheeky with me!!

[GrandSuckMaster 1,775]

Just because we aren't in the OT, doesn't mean you can get cheeky with me!!

Wasn't being cheeky, I'm assuming you are drinking cos I am and that's what cool cunts do on a Wednesday night.

[FernandoR20 2,133]

Wasn't being cheeky, I'm assuming you are drinking cos I am and that's what cool cunts do on a Wednesday night.

I'm not actually drinking tonight, surprisingly

And if I was it wouldn't be wine

[Getstiffed 8,863]

Tories or new labour are both the same shit. This is our one chance to get away from their poison. The grass might not be greener, but at least it will be our own grass.

We will join the EU and they are ruled by a council and president who you dont get to vote for.

It won't be your grass.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Orange Lodge numbers are declining but people joining the Apprentice Boys and flute bands are growing at an encouraging rate.

If attendances at the parades are falling then you've obviously not been to any parades I've witnessed recently.

Of course there's parades with poor turnouts but when you have something like 20-30 parades in every weekend in June, July, August it's going get a bit dilluted and not everyone is going to turn out in amazing numbers for every one, especially local ones that are ten a penny.

Politics and religion does not define our club outright, but say there's no relevance and people don't embrace both together is untrue. Again your SNP analogy is a shite one as it's the one party that most Rangers fans support least of all. There's plenty of SNP supporting Rangers fans, but defo in the minority.

So now we agree the whole PUL thing does not define Rangers or their fan base - basically we are there for the football because if you took away the football here would be nothing

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

I read your reply to gogzy and take most of my post back.

You do talk sense but if you try to force it on people the barriers will go up, like BP9 steaming in and insulting people.

The only definition of a Rangers supporter is supporting the team.

The history and links are there whether anyone likes them or not, it's just about respect really.

Don't like Orange Walks or Loyalist songs? Cool, just don't insult people who do.(not directed at you)

I would like some evidence that I steam in and insult people - I may have a go at folks assertions but very seldom if ever to I make it personal - although yhere are those who when their viewpoint is challenged see that as a personal insult but that is not the same as me insulting them on a personal level

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

So now we agree the whole PUL thing does not define Rangers or their fan base - basically we are there for the football because if you took away the football here would be nothing

Eh I'm not too sure, we are a football club first and foremost but a large chunk of our support embrace both - which there is nothing wrong with

[broxi74 127]

I don't agree with anybody I think yous are all bellends... Kidn fs kidn... Sorry

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Eh I'm not too sure, we are a football club first and foremost but a large chunk of our support embrace both - which there is nothing wrong with

If we took the football away what would we have?

In my opinion if we took out Any association with my politics , your politics, religion etc we would still have a great football team with history, depth and a tremendous amount to be proud of and still fill the stadium

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

If we took the football away what would we have?

In my opinion if we took out Any association with my politics , your politics, religion etc we would still have a great football team with history, depth and a tremendous amount to be proud of and still fill the stadium

Of course we still would, but why would you want to do that? the Loyalist/Unionist culture is a legitimate one. The old "it's nothing to do with Rangers" line doesn't wash and never has. Bigots that don't like it, spout it - mostly, as there's loads of things that's nothing to do with Rangers that these same people never seem to moan about. Funny that.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Of course we still would, but why would you want to do that? the Loyalist/Unionist culture is a legitimate one. The old "it's nothing to do with Rangers" line doesn't wash and never has. Bigots that don't like it, spout it - mostly, as there's loads of things that's nothing to do with Rangers that these same people never seem to moan about. Funny that.

... why do people want to deny we are a Scottish club, a good few 'internet' fans seem to want todeny that we were the backbone (and probably still are) the backbone of the Scottish national team support, our history is full of pride of team followed by the hardworking shipyard worker and common working man (with all those socialist tendencies atached), but some of ou fans would like to deny those parts of our history and they are just as valid.

I am proud to be Scots, part of the Scottish identity is the whole 'protestant' thing, workethic, education for all, a more fair and just society for everyone - those ideals helped mould and shape our country - but (for ME!) the basic premise of the whole protestant thing - this belief in god - has had its time but that does not re-write the good that was done in the Scots history by the protestant movement - but its time to move on as the basic premise of 'the faith' is faith that a god exists.

Being a proud Scotsman, and Rangers being a great Scottish club why do I have to link my politicts to some cause I don't believe in (unionism) just because a section of the support believe that?- I don't think my politics should be defined by my support of Rangers, in fact I think by trying to tie Rangers into these causes is to the detriment to Rangers because I think the two should be detatched so that we maintain our strong support despite any changes that may happen to the religious or political landscape.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

... why do people want to deny we are a Scottish club, a good few 'internet' fans seem to want todeny that we were the backbone (and probably still are) the backbone of the Scottish national team support, our history is full of pride of team followed by the hardworking shipyard worker and common working man (with all those socialist tendencies atached), but some of ou fans would like to deny those parts of our history and they are just as valid.

I am proud to be Scots, part of the Scottish identity is the whole 'protestant' thing, workethic, education for all, a more fair and just society for everyone - those ideals helped mould and shape our country - but (for ME!) the basic premise of the whole protestant thing - this belief in god - has had its time but that does not re-write the good that was done in the Scots history by the protestant movement - but its time to move on as the basic premise of 'the faith' is faith that a god exists.

Being a proud Scotsman, and Rangers being a great Scottish club why do I have to link my politicts to some cause I don't believe in (unionism) just because a section of the support believe that?- I don't think my politics should be defined by my support of Rangers, in fact I think by trying to tie Rangers into these causes is to the detriment to Rangers because I think the two should be detatched so that we maintain our strong support despite any changes that may happen to the religious or political landscape.

No-one's ever denied we are a Scottish club. I love being a Scottish, and British club. It's part of our identity and what makes us unique.

You don't believe in Unionism? well you said it. Your words, not mine and probably where you bitter stubborn attitude on this comes from.

Rangers have 2 portraits of her Majesty the Queen in our dressing room and Union flag flies proudly from the Main Stand on match day and beside the team when they run out the tunnel. That's Unionist symbols that our club has choose to align itself with - regardless if you believe in Unionism, or not.

and that's before I even mention the Loving Cup Ceremony or the statue/trophy mug thing of King William in the trophy room....

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

No-one's ever denied we are a Scottish club. I love being a Scottish, and British club. It's part of our identity and what makes us unique.

You don't believe in Unionism? well you said it. Your words, not mine and probably where you bitter stubborn attitude on this comes from.

Rangers have 2 portraits of her Majesty the Queen in our dressing room and Union flag flies proudly from the Main Stand on match day and beside the team when they run out the tunnel. That's Unionist symbols that our club has choose to align itself with - regardless if you believe in Unionism, or not.

and that's before I even mention the Loving Cup Ceremony or the statue/trophy mug thing of King William in the trophy room....

Liking (even loving) the Queen is not (for me) the same as Unionism - folk seem to forget even IF we were separated she would still be our Queen, Charles would still be our next King - and I and JUST as stubborn about this subject as you are - having a strong belief one way or another does NOT lessen my (or your) support for Rangers - on a Sat afternoon (or Friday evening, or Sunday afternoon, or what ever day we play) we are both on the same side supporting Rangers - when it comes to (say) the independence vote we will be on opposite sides - thats life, common views on some subjects does not mean we have to have common views on every subject... however it seems to me that you think that to support Rangers I must take this view or that view - but I think that is well wide of the mark.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Liking (even loving) the Queen is not (for me) the same as Unionism - folk seem to forget even IF we were separated she would still be our Queen, Charles would still be our next King - and I and JUST as stubborn about this subject as you are - having a strong belief one way or another does NOT lessen my (or your) support for Rangers - on a Sat afternoon (or Friday evening, or Sunday afternoon, or what ever day we play) we are both on the same side supporting Rangers - when it comes to (say) the independence vote we will be on opposite sides - thats life, common views on some subjects does not mean we have to have common views on every subject... however it seems to me that you think that to support Rangers I must take this view or that view - but I think that is well wide of the mark.

Your going way off on different wee tangents here. You said you don't believe in Unionism, yet our club does. That's the point I was making.

and for the 100th time not liking the Queen, Unionism, Loyalism, being a Protestant or whatever doesn't make you less of a Rangers fan. My whole point, originally, was that the total and complete lack of regard and respect some of you show those above mentioned cultures is nothing short of disgusting and is something taigs do on a daily basis.

You may not like it, but have the decency to respect it. Don't know how many times that needs said, sadly.

[Blue corn flakes 1,282]

Your going way off on different wee tangents here. You said you don't believe in Unionism, yet our club does. That's the point I was making.

and for the 100th time not liking the Queen, Unionism, Loyalism, being a Protestant or whatever doesn't make you less of a Rangers fan. My whole point, originally, was that the total and complete lack of regard and respect some of you show those above mentioned cultures is nothing short of disgusting and is something taigs do on a daily basis.

You may not like it, but have the decency to respect it. Don't know how many times that needs said, sadly.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

You know when BluePeter9 has lost an argument when he starts going off on different wee tangents

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Your going way off on different wee tangents here. You said you don't believe in Unionism, yet our club does. That's the point I was making.

and for the 100th time not liking the Queen, Unionism, Loyalism, being a Protestant or whatever doesn't make you less of a Rangers fan. My whole point, originally, was that the total and complete lack of regard and respect some of you show those above mentioned cultures is nothing short of disgusting and is something taigs do on a daily basis.

You may not like it, but have the decency to respect it. Don't know how many times that needs said, sadly.

My club flies a national flag ergo its a Unionist Club ? It also has the Saltire as part of its symbolism ergo its Scottish?

As for your assertion about my lack of respect for cultures and beliefs - you once again seem to go down the road that having a contrary view is 'wrong' to state why I think things are wrong, or outdated is no lack of 'respect' but an opinion. Also respect is a two way street - you seem to have no respect for anyone that takes a positive view on independence and yet demand respect for your own views - strange that - perhaps you should have the decency to respect it!

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

My club flies a national flag ergo its a Unionist Club ? It also has the Saltire as part of its symbolism ergo its Scottish?

As for your assertion about my lack of respect for cultures and beliefs - you once again seem to go down the road that having a contrary view is 'wrong' to state why I think things are wrong, or outdated is no lack of 'respect' but an opinion. Also respect is a two way street - you seem to have no respect for anyone that takes a positive view on independence and yet demand respect for your own views - strange that - perhaps you should have the decency to respect it!

I already said it's a Scottish club too. Which part of that didn't you understand? ... and I would say that flying Union Flags from the stand and pictures of the Queen in the dressing rooms would mean it's a Unionist club - do you disagree or something?

oh and your point about me not respecting Scottish independence is shite too. I can point you in the direction of a post I made only a few days ago saying I don't hate nationalists - I think the only thing they are guilty of is letting their heart rule their head - so to be fair that's more shite and lies from you - get your facts straight please

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

I already said it's a Scottish club too. Which part of that didn't you understand? ... and I would say that flying Union Flags from the stand and pictures of the Queen in the dressing rooms would mean it's a Unionist club - do you disagree or something?

oh and your point about me not respecting Scottish independence is shite too. I can point you in the direction of a post I made only a few days ago saying I don't hate nationalists - I think the only thing they are guilty of is letting their heart rule their head - so to be fair that's more shite and lies from you - get your facts straight please

Calm down dear. I am glad you have started to show some respect for others viewpoint - and on that note I am sure the whole Independence thing will come back to the BD at some point in the future - but until then WATP

[GOAT 30,449]

Everyone apart from me, and boab are wankers.

Boabs a grassing wanker.