GOAT 30,449 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 This will be his 4th season, surely we never offered him more than four years? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Never, rolling contract so either we give him a year's notice or pay him off for a year Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATBB 1,524 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It doesn't. Rolling contracts are designed to give the employee more protection and more leverage if something were to go wrong, for example if he was getting sacked, he'd have more leeway over how much of a pay off package he was getting etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,583 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Betcha any pay off will be his original salary rather than the 'reduced' one he is on just now...Absolutely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Betcha any pay off will be his original salary rather than the 'reduced' one he is on just now...I get why you might expect Ally to take a pay cut when money is tight, but you can't expect him to take the same cut in a scenario where we're kicking him out the door."Ally, you're fired. Mind if we keep half your pay?"You can have a go at him for a lot of things, but he's not to blame for the contract he was offered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It doesn't.Rolling contracts are designed to give the employee more protection and more leverage if something were to go wrong, for example if he was getting sacked, he'd have more leeway over how much of a pay off package he was getting etc.Surely it's the opposite? A rolling contract protects the employer, because if they don't like someone they can boot them out half the way into the year and only be required to pay half a year's salary. No leverage at all for the employee.Could be wrong! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,847 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 This will be his 4th season, surely we never offered him more than four years?You just gunna keep doing this aye? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Surely it's the opposite? A rolling contract protects the employer, because if they don't like someone they can boot them out half the way into the year and only be required to pay half a year's salary. No leverage at all for the employee.Could be wrong!Seems that way, and it certainly works better than the way Man U did it (Moyes on a 6 year deal)But unfortunately, with a club that can't afford to just pay off a manager, a rolling contract isn't always the best option - because you can't just let it run down, you have to, at some point, bite the bullet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATBB 1,524 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Surely it's the opposite? A rolling contract protects the employer, because if they don't like someone they can boot them out half the way into the year and only be required to pay half a year's salary. No leverage at all for the employee.Could be wrong!The way I read it, and the way it was explained to me is:Rolling contracts are put in place to protect the Employee, they are renewed two years before they are due to run out, and in the event of sacking, receives the full remaining salary of their contract. For example, if Ally's contract got renewed this year, he has three years left on his rolling contract, and if he's sacked, Rangers have to pay him the three years salary. It's quite an odd system, but it does offer more protection to the employee. Strange one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Well time to tell him he's out the door come May. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Seems that way, and it certainly works better than the way Man U did it (Moyes on a 6 year deal)But unfortunately, with a club that can't afford to just pay off a manager, a rolling contract isn't always the best option - because you can't just let it run down, you have to, at some point, bite the bullet.Moyes on a 6 year deal. What a bunch of absolute tits. Wouldn't be surprised it Moyes took a dive for early retirement with 5 years free pay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 The way I read it, and the way it was explained to me is:Rolling contracts are put in place to protect the Employee, they are renewed two years before they are due to run out, and in the event of sacking, receives the full remaining salary of their contract. For example, if Ally's contract got renewed this year, he has three years left on his rolling contract, and if he's sacked, Rangers have to pay him the three years salary.It's quite an odd system, but it does offer more protection to the employee. Strange one.Ah ok, I didn't know about he two year renewal part. Sounds like a crap deal for the employer! No surprises it was us who offered it then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I get why you might expect Ally to take a pay cut when money is tight, but you can't expect him to take the same cut in a scenario where we're kicking him out the door."Ally, you're fired. Mind if we keep half your pay?"You can have a go at him for a lot of things, but he's not to blame for the contract he was offered.unlike PLG who left with nothing. Didn`t ask or want anything. Just left.I`m sure Ally being the big Rangers man who has made millions off us would also walk for free. Wouldn`t he ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Ah ok, I didn't know about he two year renewal part. Sounds like a crap deal for the employer! No surprises it was us who offered it then Can thank Bain for that one Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I get why you might expect Ally to take a pay cut when money is tight, but you can't expect him to take the same cut in a scenario where we're kicking him out the door."Ally, you're fired. Mind if we keep half your pay?"You can have a go at him for a lot of things, but he's not to blame for the contract he was offered.I'd have a go at him, Rangers have been brilliant for McCoist, at the very least i'd like to think he would take a reduced compensation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATBB 1,524 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Can thank Bain for that oneI thought you answered yourself there... didn't notice "SimplyTheBest" and "SimplyTheBestest" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Can thank Bain for that oneCan I thank him with a jab to the kidney? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I thought you answered yourself there... didn't notice "SimplyTheBest" and "SimplyTheBestest"Yeah, feel like a bit of an idiot for not realising there'd be some veteran with simplythebest already. Need to change my name to SassyPapac. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yeah, feel like a bit of an idiot for not realising there'd be some veteran with simplythebest already. Need to change my name to SassyPapac.I think the rules are if you are the oldest then you can claim the username.Just expect to be forever repping me and agreeing with me constantly in the future if you are older than twelve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebestest 2,148 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I think the rules are if you are the oldest then you can claim the username.Just expect to be forever repping me and agreeing with me constantly in the future if you are older than twelve.I do already mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 PLG got sacked for less Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I do already mate That's what I get for being a smart-arse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Every 'rolling contract' I have ever had was normally for a fixed term and at the end of each year a further one year was added to the term unless either I or the employer exercised the right to stop the automatic extension which normally required one to three months’ notice period prior to the contract ending.In substance this is not really different from long notice periods - the culpability is not in the 'rolling' nature of such a contract but in the long period of the notice or fixed term. Would be interesting to know what ’notice period' is in McCoists contract and what type of 'package' was negotiated in the event of termination. It is possible he renegotiated his 'termination package' when he agreed the pay-cut??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Betcha any pay off will be his original salary rather than the 'reduced' one he is on just now...A years salary, plus whatever hes due in shares. Shares issued at a previously agreed price.I wish i still had it, but i remember we all got the white share issue book a couple of years ago. In it i remember reading something dodgy about the managers job. I cant remember exactly what it was, but it seemed strange at the time. I remember thinking it would be impossible for McCoist to be sacked. But remember, back then around the time of admin, he was like a god. So i just laughed it off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gas Man 190 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 When he does go, and hopefully it won't be too long I would be very surprised if he didn't make it worth his while financially as I can't see him managing a club ever again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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