Blue Avenger 22,568 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, The Mailman said: You ever seen Barcelona playing without Busquets , even the best defenders need protecting Oh Barcelona, right. Here's me thinking a CD's job was to defend. Our two will certainly the best in in the SPL, not! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Ideally both as back up only but we can get away with 1 of them (pref Kiernan) with a good solid center back which we should in the market for over to you Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I think it's easy to say both need to be replaced and I've voted as such. Truthfully though if the right CB is signed then he could replace 1 of them and the entire defense could be on a whole new level. What's clear with Kiernan and Wilson is that neither are commanders, you can't say that one of them will go for a header nevermind win every header, you can't say that one of them organises the line, you can't say that one will be there to make the interception. Such a player coming in could make all the difference. Now I'm not going to claim I know much of the guy's ability but Damien Delaney to me is an example of someone whose contract is up, he has been playing the vast bulk of seasons for a good number of years, he has knowingly been on low wages and offered very short term deals (since before he joined Palace) and yet if you look at Palace's defensive record they were top 7 on goals conceded. He obviously reached the cup final with them and as I understand it he is one of their top assists men. Seeing what we have just pulled off with Barton, I can imagine that Delaney knowing he will not likely top the cup final of last season and most likely will fight for survival, might look at a 2 year deal with us and the opportunity that gives him to go out on a high, big club, win something, possibly experience Europe etc. etc. He's only an example that I've used a few times but he fits the bill of being obviously good enough while seemingly being in reach, I think he is as close to ideal as you're going to get to raise the bar in defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 72,537 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 26 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said: I think it's easy to say both need to be replaced and I've voted as such. Truthfully though if the right CB is signed then he could replace 1 of them and the entire defense could be on a whole new level. What's clear with Kiernan and Wilson is that neither are commanders, you can't say that one of them will go for a header nevermind win every header, you can't say that one of them organises the line, you can't say that one will be there to make the interception. Such a player coming in could make all the difference. Now I'm not going to claim I know much of the guy's ability but Damien Delaney to me is an example of someone whose contract is up, he has been playing the vast bulk of seasons for a good number of years, he has knowingly been on low wages and offered very short term deals (since before he joined Palace) and yet if you look at Palace's defensive record they were top 7 on goals conceded. He obviously reached the cup final with them and as I understand it he is one of their top assists men. Seeing what we have just pulled off with Barton, I can imagine that Delaney knowing he will not likely top the cup final of last season and most likely will fight for survival, might look at a 2 year deal with us and the opportunity that gives him to go out on a high, big club, win something, possibly experience Europe etc. etc. He's only an example that I've used a few times but he fits the bill of being obviously good enough while seemingly being in reach, I think he is as close to ideal as you're going to get to raise the bar in defense. Delaney signed a new contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Delaney signed a new contract. That fucks that idea then but still we need someone of similar ilk because they simply get carved up too often against lower level opposition, IFchallenging for the title is the least of our intentions then we need at least someone who is far better and evidently capable over the course of a full season against better opposition week-in-week-out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,448 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I wouldn't be comfortable with either continuing to be regular starters. Unfortunetely I can't see them both being replaced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 8 hours ago, Smile said: Get rid of both, it's amateur hour with them would never have signed Wilson in the first place and Kiernan just can't defend. Hopefully, someone will take them, Hearts weren't slow on Dumping Wilson when they went up. Spot on , Wilson should never have been given the chance to play for us again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDolphins 5,359 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I think people massively over react regarding Wilson and Kiernan. Our defence was terrible last season at times but that was as a team 90% of the time rather than them alone. With a whole season together behind them and hopefully Barton in front of them and the team more wary in a better league, it should all come together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,568 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, EatDolphins said: I think people massively over react regarding Wilson and Kiernan. Our defence was terrible last season at times but that was as a team 90% of the time rather than them alone. With a whole season together behind them and hopefully Barton in front of them and the team more wary in a better league, it should all come together. You are correct to a degree. They are inconsistent, but they did do their bit last season, to the best of the ability they have and we got over the line. However, therein lies the problem as I see it, they both do not have the attributes to be successful and make the challenge in the top tier. Not their fault that they are too limited, but we need to move on with a defensive pairing that posses pace, positional awareness, dominate in the air and have that physical presence. Hivs shredded us as they broke at us with pace and that scumbag stokes isn't the fastest and he could/should have scored more. He constantly came at us down the left flank, where Tav's for the most part was missing. We have also seen what balls over the top do to us. A defensive centre mid would have made little difference. Teams in the top tier have seen our main weakness and it can and will be exploited if we don't change it with players that have better defensive attributes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 both have absolutely no pace, you can get away with one speedy and one lump but not to lumpen centre halfs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPapac05 3,383 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd keep Wilson, but not for first choice. I'd boot Kiernan out the door. Two new CB's are a must. One young CB with a bit of pace and an old head beside him (in the mould of Davie Weir) for experience and to hold things together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers Lady 2,380 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Someone who can read the game Or at least spot the danger when , the opposing centre forward comes in from the touchline, maybe tries to stop him before he gets onto the 6 yard box and scores unchallenged, in a major final Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Said on here a few people were in for a shock with these 2 when it came to the cup semi and I'm going to say it again in regards to next season. Get ready to wipe the egg off your face next May. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 73,103 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Getstiffed said: Said on here a few people were in for a shock with these 2 when it came to the cup semi and I'm going to say it again in regards to next season. Get ready to wipe the egg off your face next May. Kiernan is pish Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just now, The Godfather said: Kiernan is pish Big Rob's gonna eat you if he reads that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 54,871 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 They are both fine as squad players but they lack the consistency required to play at the top level as a pairing. You could maybe get away with one of them playing beside a better player (I prefer Wilson, he's the more consistent of the two IMO) but only time will tell if that would work. I don't think we are signing two centre backs this summer though, regardless of what people think we need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,792 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Again to be fair they do the work of three men most times ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mailman 330 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 hours ago, Blue Avenger said: Oh Barcelona, right. Here's me thinking a CD's job was to defend. Our two will certainly the best in in the SPL, not! Of course they're job is to defend but even the best CD's need some help, our 2 don't really get that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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