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Pep Vs Jose.


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I can't see the EPL going to any other Manager than these two. Which one is going to win? 

I think I'm going to back Pep. 

Their first half performance there was fantastic! Plus they've got Gundogan, Sane, Bravo and Kompany to come back.

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3 minutes ago, kaiser1041 said:

Worse than nearly getting Chelsea relegated ?

He didn't nearly get them relegated, they were around their in the table when he was sacked but they would've finished in roughly the same place had he stayed

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2 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Klopp

They're unplayable at times, frightening how quick they counter attack. Matip looks solid as well. They have a fair chance but I can't see past Jose and Man Utd just now 

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Eric Bailly has been brilliant in the opening 4 games (including community shield) 

He's got a good partnership with Blind, maybe Utd's defence just edge it? As Shaw and Valencia also look solid. It's a tough one. City were frightening in the opening 30 mins today, good luck Celtic :craphead: 

Gundogan likely to play vs Man Utd next game-week. Who cares about that game but, only one on my mind!

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1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Guardiola didn't 'fail' at Bayern. He won three leagues on the trot after Bayern had won 1 in the previous 3 seasons. 

He was in a no win situation taking over after the treble season, people forget how many variables come into a cup competition like the UCL. Did he make mistakes against Real in his first season? Of course. He had to deal with many injuries at his time at Bayern as well which gets ignored. He went out at the SF stage to three top drawer teams.

There's a reason why the Bayern chairman etc are full of praise for Pep, he did lots away from on the pitch which will help Bayern for years to come. His time at Bayern is verging on being great, it would have been excellent if he won a CL.

they maybe full of praise for him but they certainly didnt hire him and pay him millions just to win a one horse race in germany, the CL was the holy grail for them and pep failed 3 times with probably the most expensive side Bayern have ever assembled

He took over a CL winning team, rebuilt it and failed 3 times in it

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1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said:

So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ?

not really, both they teams were needing title wins at home as well, Jose delivered them albeit missed the CL, Bayern were expected to win the league under pep no questions asked, the CL was his target

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1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said:

So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ?

Completed different circumstances for both managers.

Pep had inherited one of the best squads of all time, fresh off completing a European treble. The league was a formality for each of the seasons at Bayern and he had virtually a blank cheque to sign whoever he felt would add to the team. The squad Pep inherited were excellent in Europe and he couldn't even nearly replicate it. Objectively a failure.

Mourinho had inherited an aging and under performing squad at Chelsea. He brought instant improvement to the club in various ways and had different targets. Winning the premier league is more difficult than winning the champions league, in his first season had it not been for a freak Liverpool season they would've finished as runners up however they finished third but achieved their best points tally since the 2009/2010 season. The season after they won it comfortably and won the league cup too. His third season was obviously catastrophic and he was sacked accordingly, no excuses for that. In Europe Mourinho took them to a European semifinal which was the best Pep achieved, combine that with the fact that Mourinho had to try and win the most competitive league in the world and succeed in doing so highlights his success. In Madrid he had to compete with the best club side ever with some of the best players ever and a new style of football that hadn't really been witnessed at club football level in the league and Europe making it difficult to win on both fronts. Pep done better in Spain no doubts but failed in Germany, Mourinho has never failed in any country and always delivers upon his targets.

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1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said:

So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ?

Did Madrid win more the season before Jose came? Naw

did Chelsea win more the season before Jose came? Naw

He stopped barca's dominance and won the pl for the first time in years  

 

bayern won the treble before pep and when he was there he didn't win it, that's the difference  

 

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people should also remember that when pep took over barca he took over a team with xavi, iniesta, messi, eto', puyol, valdes amongst others, sure he sold a few and brought in pique, but  fact is he inherited the best player the planet will ever see, coupled with 2 of the best midfielders spain will ever produce

pep has never had to actually build a team from scratch, again with city he's taking over the richest team in england with a squad already good enough for the title

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