Clemdog 39,389 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I can't see the EPL going to any other Manager than these two. Which one is going to win? I think I'm going to back Pep. Their first half performance there was fantastic! Plus they've got Gundogan, Sane, Bravo and Kompany to come back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,806 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Conte. Nah, probably Jose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedylan 11,555 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Jose Mourinho is a horrible graceless bastard Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeWallaceRFC 3,920 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1. United. 2. City. 3. Chelsea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumnockbear 2,446 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wouldn't rule out Conte either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 5 best managers in the world (In order) 1 - Mourinho 2 - Guardiola 3 - Anchelotti 4 - Simione 5 - Conte So based off that and their squads, Jose to win, Pep to finish second and Conte 3rd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Has pep ever failed at a club the way Jose did at Chelsea second time around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidorfc 6,665 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 minute ago, kaiser1041 said: Has pep ever failed at a club the way Jose did at Chelsea second time around? He's only really managed 2 clubs, excluding Man City and the Barca B team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, kaiser1041 said: Has pep ever failed at a club the way Jose did at Chelsea second time around? Not winning the champions league with that Bayern squad was a failure Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, lidorfc said: He's only really managed 2 clubs, excluding Man City and the Barca B team. So no then ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, In Dungeons Deep said: Not winning the champions league with that Bayern squad was a failure Worse than nearly getting Chelsea relegated ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidorfc 6,665 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Just now, kaiser1041 said: So no then ? No but it's a stupid comparison since Mourinho has managed 6 clubs outwith Man Utd (managing chelsea for two spells) to Guardiola's 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,823 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Klopp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, kaiser1041 said: Worse than nearly getting Chelsea relegated ? He didn't nearly get them relegated, they were around their in the table when he was sacked but they would've finished in roughly the same place had he stayed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,823 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 It's a shame the Manc derby clashes with the Old Firm. Can always see the final 15 minutes of the first half during HT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, G.E.C. said: Klopp They're unplayable at times, frightening how quick they counter attack. Matip looks solid as well. They have a fair chance but I can't see past Jose and Man Utd just now Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Eric Bailly has been brilliant in the opening 4 games (including community shield) He's got a good partnership with Blind, maybe Utd's defence just edge it? As Shaw and Valencia also look solid. It's a tough one. City were frightening in the opening 30 mins today, good luck Celtic Gundogan likely to play vs Man Utd next game-week. Who cares about that game but, only one on my mind! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 Conte could do it. I think it depends on the players he gets in the next 3 days. United and City are set up already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossorange 696 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said: Has pep ever failed at a club the way Jose did at Chelsea second time around? He failed at bayern Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 16 minutes ago, Bossorange said: He failed at bayern So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,607 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: Guardiola didn't 'fail' at Bayern. He won three leagues on the trot after Bayern had won 1 in the previous 3 seasons. He was in a no win situation taking over after the treble season, people forget how many variables come into a cup competition like the UCL. Did he make mistakes against Real in his first season? Of course. He had to deal with many injuries at his time at Bayern as well which gets ignored. He went out at the SF stage to three top drawer teams. There's a reason why the Bayern chairman etc are full of praise for Pep, he did lots away from on the pitch which will help Bayern for years to come. His time at Bayern is verging on being great, it would have been excellent if he won a CL. they maybe full of praise for him but they certainly didnt hire him and pay him millions just to win a one horse race in germany, the CL was the holy grail for them and pep failed 3 times with probably the most expensive side Bayern have ever assembled He took over a CL winning team, rebuilt it and failed 3 times in it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,607 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said: So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ? not really, both they teams were needing title wins at home as well, Jose delivered them albeit missed the CL, Bayern were expected to win the league under pep no questions asked, the CL was his target Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said: So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ? Completed different circumstances for both managers. Pep had inherited one of the best squads of all time, fresh off completing a European treble. The league was a formality for each of the seasons at Bayern and he had virtually a blank cheque to sign whoever he felt would add to the team. The squad Pep inherited were excellent in Europe and he couldn't even nearly replicate it. Objectively a failure. Mourinho had inherited an aging and under performing squad at Chelsea. He brought instant improvement to the club in various ways and had different targets. Winning the premier league is more difficult than winning the champions league, in his first season had it not been for a freak Liverpool season they would've finished as runners up however they finished third but achieved their best points tally since the 2009/2010 season. The season after they won it comfortably and won the league cup too. His third season was obviously catastrophic and he was sacked accordingly, no excuses for that. In Europe Mourinho took them to a European semifinal which was the best Pep achieved, combine that with the fact that Mourinho had to try and win the most competitive league in the world and succeed in doing so highlights his success. In Madrid he had to compete with the best club side ever with some of the best players ever and a new style of football that hadn't really been witnessed at club football level in the league and Europe making it difficult to win on both fronts. Pep done better in Spain no doubts but failed in Germany, Mourinho has never failed in any country and always delivers upon his targets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossorange 696 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, kaiser1041 said: So Jose failed at real and Chelsea both times ? Did Madrid win more the season before Jose came? Naw did Chelsea win more the season before Jose came? Naw He stopped barca's dominance and won the pl for the first time in years bayern won the treble before pep and when he was there he didn't win it, that's the difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,607 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 people should also remember that when pep took over barca he took over a team with xavi, iniesta, messi, eto', puyol, valdes amongst others, sure he sold a few and brought in pique, but fact is he inherited the best player the planet will ever see, coupled with 2 of the best midfielders spain will ever produce pep has never had to actually build a team from scratch, again with city he's taking over the richest team in england with a squad already good enough for the title Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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