Stop with this "are we celebrating 2nd" shit

[thebluedoo 2,652]

I think I should own up, it was my fault I had the audacity to back the then manager and team. I made the choice to renew my season ticket while others around me who were in the midst of a protest against ( and rightly so ) the then board didn't. I also went along to games and tried to cheer on the team rather than boo and demand higher than realistic skills from a hardworking and at times quite entertaining bunch of players, who in reality could not handle or reach the high standards of play we as a support are used to.

I can easily say that ultimately Ally McCoist failed as a manager when he could not muster any fight from his team, we can all have opinions on when that was but I can't believe that any board never mind the previous one would ditch a manager that had just won a league title undefeated no matter which one it was. How could they justify sacking a manager before he had started on the championship ? Now it could easily be argued he should have been sacked before he eventually fell on his own sword but that I would say was the job of the board.

So yes I didn't turn on A M as early as some others and yes I can often jump in to an Ally bashing thread to defend imo a man who has given me some of the greatest nights of my life as a Rangers supporter. My hero's are exactly that they are mine and no one be it a Rangers fan or a tim will ever take that away from me.

Guilty as charged your honour

 

[delamonty 992]

On 12/18/2016 at 6:21 AM, Bluepeter9 said:

With a Scottish Cup still to play for and collapses of 8 points not unknown it's a bit defeatist to say this season is fucked / I know the league is a long shot but the cup adds interest and as we are rebuilding this season is important for us in upping our game and moving on. 

true I was purely thinking about the league and the second place argument    

[SuperPapac05 3,383]

The day we start celebrating being second is the day we become fannies like Hearts and Aberdeen fans. The Tarriers don't settle for second best and neither should we. If fans start to accept that second place is good enough that'll breed into the players and management, like it does with the Hearts and Aberdeen players, and we can just watch the Tarriers win 10 in a row (minus the 4 tainted titles) 

[linfield1690 4,249]

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[K.A.I 36,183]

19 minutes ago, linfield1690 said:

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[Mr Soprano 13,964]

Don't expect us to catch them but if we win the remaining games of the year, their arses will go.

They are renowned bottlers, it makes the shite start all the harder to take.

[smitzer007 198]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Dazzler said:

Need to beat the soap dodgers twice at ibrox and win the Scottish cup this season for us to be moving in the right direction.

A wee bit of pressure on the soap dodgers and they will crumble.

The Scottish media are having a wank fest over them just now but they really aren't that good. 

[The Godfather 72,863]

On ‎18‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 1:14 AM, GTMLivo said:

Yes currently I'm celebrating that we're sitting 2nd...

Fuck sake  

Thank fuck some of us still have our standards.

Finishing second is bare minimum given our resources compared to all but 1 side in our league. To celebrate it is cringe worthy and not something this club does.
 

[Tenerife Bear 1,748]

I think if we beat Celtic twice, finish 2nd and stop them winning a treble by winning the Scottish Cup it will have been a decent season. More than decent actually. I don't know what else people were expecting when the financial gulf is so big. It's all very well demanding 1st and saying 2nd is last but you have to be realistic, we are quite a bit away from competing with them over the course of a season. That is just a fact right now. The only people who can fix that are the board. How hungry are they to make us number 1 again. 

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 minute ago, Tenerife Bear said:

I think if we beat Celtic twice, finish 2nd and stop them winning a treble by winning the Scottish Cup it will have been a decent season. More than decent actually. I don't know what else people were expecting when the financial gulf is so big. It's all very well demanding 1st and saying 2nd is last but you have to be realistic, we are quite a bit away from competing with them over the course of a season. That is just a fact right now. The only people who can fix that are the board. How hungry are they to make us number 1 again. 

You don't know what people are expecting? 

We expect King to honour his investment promises and give us a winning team then we have the chance to qualify for the Champions League and lessen the financial gap 

it's really simple 

[Tenerife Bear 1,748]

6 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

You don't know what people are expecting? 

We expect King to honour his investment promises and give us a winning team then we have the chance to qualify for the Champions League and lessen the financial gap 

it's really simple 

I can guess. I've seen people saying we should be winning the title this year. I think that is just silly. I've seen people say they expect King to make good on his promises. What promises exactly? As far as i can see, we've doubled the wage bill, the lights are still on, we've signed loads of players, we've done work to the stadium. The real issues this season have been on the park, player recruitment, there's not much King can do if the strikers the manager plays don't score goals, or the defences the manager picks can't keep it tight, or the midfields that the manager picks can't protect their defence or support their attack.

To qualify for the Champion League we have to win the league. To win the league we have to beat a team over the course of a season who have been there, done that and won that for the last 4 or 5 seasons. A team, regardless of how poor we think they are, and they are poor, a team which is full of internationals and who know how to win matches that we haven't been this season. 

In a computer game it may be simple. On paper it may be simple. In reality, it's far from it. 

 

 

[The Godfather 72,863]

The lights are still on guys so fuck it, let's just be glad to be here and settle for fuck all.

 

What the fuck am I reading?

[linfield1690 4,249]

Its really quite simple we have a motto incase anyone forgot that reads NO SURRENDER!

[surfsup2 1,542]

I will be happy enough with 2nd this season as a few weeks  back I was beginning to question if that was going to happen.

But next season we need to win the league and get back Champions league football so missed.

[Tenerife Bear 1,748]

16 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

The lights are still on guys so fuck it, let's just be glad to be here and settle for fuck all.

 

What the fuck am I reading?

We are running at a loss, for the 5th consecutive year. It's like the last 5 years never happened. Unless you think operating expenses are paid for with chocolate buttons and snowballs. Our 43000 season ticket holders are not even enough to break even. 

[linfield1690 4,249]

2 minutes ago, Tenerife Bear said:

We are running at a loss, for the 5th consecutive year. It's like the last 5 years never happened. Unless you think operating expenses are paid for with chocolate buttons and snowballs. Our 43000 season ticket holders are not even enough to break even. 

Fuck off phil

[The Godfather 72,863]

2 minutes ago, Tenerife Bear said:

We are running at a loss, for the 5th consecutive year. It's like the last 5 years never happened. Unless you think operating expenses are paid for with chocolate buttons and snowballs. Our 43000 season ticket holders are not even enough to break even. 

Stop going on about the last 5 years ffs, you think we don't remember what happened or something?

See when the chairman comes out and puts on a card display in the first game of the season stating "Going for 55" and spending fortunes (compared to everyone else bar the tims) on Barton, Niko, Garner, Senderos etc. then yeah I'm fully expecting bare minimum second spot in this shithouse of a league.

Celebrating it is laughable, it's the least we should be doing.

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

If Craig Houston and Ally McCoist hadn't have saved the club then we may have been Christmas shopping instead of playing Hamilton on Friday night.

We're lucky we even have strips and a stadium now, be happy just to finish above Hamilton tbh.

[simplythebest 11,453]

10 hours ago, thebluedoo said:

I think I should own up, it was my fault I had the audacity to back the then manager and team. I made the choice to renew my season ticket while others around me who were in the midst of a protest against ( and rightly so ) the then board didn't. I also went along to games and tried to cheer on the team rather than boo and demand higher than realistic skills from a hardworking and at times quite entertaining bunch of players, who in reality could not handle or reach the high standards of play we as a support are used to.

I can easily say that ultimately Ally McCoist failed as a manager when he could not muster any fight from his team, we can all have opinions on when that was but I can't believe that any board never mind the previous one would ditch a manager that had just won a league title undefeated no matter which one it was. How could they justify sacking a manager before he had started on the championship ? Now it could easily be argued he should have been sacked before he eventually fell on his own sword but that I would say was the job of the board.

So yes I didn't turn on A M as early as some others and yes I can often jump in to an Ally bashing thread to defend imo a man who has given me some of the greatest nights of my life as a Rangers supporter. My hero's are exactly that they are mine and no one be it a Rangers fan or a tim will ever take that away from me.

Guilty as charged your honour

 

Biggest red herring ever when literally anybody including one of us on here would have won part time leagues, it was obvious as soon as he was faced with even slightl competition McCoist would fail, he'd already shown it prior to admin 

[WeirFleckNRothen 1,789]

Our marquee signing lasted eight below-par games which were followed by a two-months suspension and subsequent departure, our other big signing was equally as uninspiring and lasted less than ten games before his season was ended, we were humiliated 5-1 at Parkhead in what was the biggest Old Firm defeat in sixteen years, they then knocked-us out of the League Cup to reach the final minute in the dying seconds, we've dropped points at home to Hamilton, Ross County and St Johnstone. On the road, we lost to Hearts and Aberdeen, plus dropped points at Kilmarnock and again, Ross County. Barring two last minute goals, we wouldn't have won a game in November. We started this season running a #goingfor55 campaign, but sit 11 behind the Tims who have two games in hand and we haven't even reached Christmas.

That's the reality. That is factual. I don't walk along the Paisley Road every other Saturday with my face tripping me; I'm comfortable with and accept where we currently are, but the above is an accurate description of our season and as a result, I refuse to "celebrate" sitting second. Absolutely not.

I didn't expect us to win the league, I expected second. As amny have correctly pointed out, we've come a long way. We re-built, but I refuse to surrender my standards. No matter what the circumstances, I will not celebrate mediocricy. Never.

[WeirFleckNRothen 1,789]

Bluenoses bubbling for the right to celebrate second and here's me eating away inside that Aberdeen have a better goal difference than us.

[Dazzler 2,428]

2 hours ago, Mr Soprano said:

Don't expect us to catch them but if we win the remaining games of the year, their arses will go.

They are renowned bottlers, it makes the shite start all the harder to take.

Spot on.

[Louden_Greg 827]

To me it's all about the terminology used. Most of us would agree that we were expected to finish second by all metrics. 

I have been disappointed that it took us so long to get going (reasons discussed at length elsewhere) which stopped us challanging like I hoped/thought we could. 

But equally I'm pleased we have stuffed it up those who said we'd struggle to compete with the likes of hearts and Aberdeen - we have had a poor start to the season and are still well above them. 

Long term 2nd isn't an achievement and our goal is to get the title. That's not in dispute and no Rangers fan would settle for 2nd being our target year in year out I'm certain. 

[Mr Soprano 13,964]

2 hours ago, Tenerife Bear said:

We are running at a loss, for the 5th consecutive year. It's like the last 5 years never happened. Unless you think operating expenses are paid for with chocolate buttons and snowballs. Our 43000 season ticket holders are not even enough to break even. 

I smell ye Mickey

[Tenerife Bear 1,748]

2 hours ago, Louden_Greg said:

To me it's all about the terminology used. Most of us would agree that we were expected to finish second by all metrics. 

I have been disappointed that it took us so long to get going (reasons discussed at length elsewhere) which stopped us challanging like I hoped/thought we could. 

But equally I'm pleased we have stuffed it up those who said we'd struggle to compete with the likes of hearts and Aberdeen - we have had a poor start to the season and are still well above them. 

Long term 2nd isn't an achievement and our goal is to get the title. That's not in dispute and no Rangers fan would settle for 2nd being our target year in year out I'm certain. 

 

I agree with this although i think anyone who thought we would genuinely struggle in amongst the Hearts and Aberdeens were idiots. We were always going to be 2nd this season. I am not sure about fans not settling for 2nd, there's been a few on other forums and on social media claiming it will take us years to catch the mob. Next season must provide a far greater and closer title challenge. The main objective next season is the title and nothing else will do. 

I don't know why people were picking out my earlier posts and getting upset, there's quite a siege mentality on here today with a hint of paranoia. Celebrating 2nd is embarrassing. It's not good enough but as a one off, this season, it's the best we can realistically hope for.