Pedro, gambles, Robertson, tactics ..

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Just now, The Dude said:

He wanted it on condition he could sit on his arse until this season ended. Club wanted someone in immediately.

Crazy. Temp man doing well. Give time for manager come in.

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It's been a poor start from Pedro, and you have to wonder how qualified those who picked him are.

But we now need to ensure players which he brings in during the summer are sufficient quality that if we need to sack the manager next season, we're not left with alot of his deadwood signings, like we have been with Warburton.

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4 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

Hold on a minute, literally 90% of that tarrier team that played us off the park and dominated us today were here last season under Delia. 

Sinclair was the exception.

waken up mate

This is why I'm extremely sceptical about the manager at the moment. Theres no denying that they have better quality, but almost all were average, fans wanting them shipped out last season etc but the difference has been their manager. The fact were paying him 800k instead of adding 800k to it and getting a big name in is a real issue. 

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Just now, OranjeBear said:

Crazy. Temp man doing well. Give time for manager come in.

And then leaving the FdB a matter of a few weeks to come in, recruit players and gel them before European games start.

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1 minute ago, K.A.I said:

Hold on a minute, literally 90% of that tarrier team that played us off the park and dominated us today were here last season under Delia. 

Sinclair was the exception.

waken up mate

Yes that's a fair shout , and I've often quoted before , how managers can bring something different out in a player .  

Tbh  , I'm a bit disappointed myself that we haven't seen much progress by now . I'm just willing to give him a bit more time . 

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Just now, gmcf said:

Yes that's a fair shout , and I've often quoted before , how managers can bring something different out in a player .  

Tbh  , I'm a bit disappointed myself that we haven't seen much progress by now . I'm just willing to give him a bit more time . 

Fair enough mate. 

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24 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I think you under-estimate the power that having every Rangers fan in 100% agreement and a concensus going foward can have. 

Even if it is just an internet forum, people can take their opinions into real life and with other people and eventually it can snowball a bit and maybe, just maybe the pressure is on.

You obviously think it does no good which is fine, but is it a bad thing either if everyone online wakes upto the problems? 

Historically, the only thing that has worked is an empty Ibrox; that causes change. 

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5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

He wanted it on condition he could sit on his arse until this season ended. Club wanted someone in immediately.

Really ? 

If that's the case the board fucked up badly . As much as I'm sticking up for PC , I'd rather have gone for a proven manager than gambling on someone we knew little about . 

FS , that's actually shocked me if that is the case . 

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1 minute ago, ZZed said:

Historically, the only thing that has worked is an empty Ibrox; that causes change. 

Don't agree mate.

What caused change was King finding some cash and buying shares after his (and his chums antics) saw the share price crash.

But fans all in agreement everywhere including online can start to build the right sort of pressure and momentum in other ways. 

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34 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

and? is that meant to be a contradiction or something? 
 

When did the manager lay the foundation of HIS side?

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Just now, Young Bob said:

When did the manager lay the foundation of HIS side?

He's not.

I never once said he has. In fact I made reference to the opposite a couple of times that it's Warburton's team that he's left him with. 

It's a seperate point about what is needed.

on another but related note, I don't trust Pedro to adhere to that vision and do what's needed.

So again, where's the contradiction? I don't see your point....

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only time will tell if it is the right or wrong appointment but i at least expected a better performance today than last week .

we know at least we can compete with them look what  Murty got out of them against the taigs they pressed and marked them and worked incredible hard why hasn't Pedro got them doing this all good teams do it. .

I was shocked today of how much space and time the taigs were allowed Murty's tactics of pressing them showed they are   not that composed on the ball pedros needs too find a solution soon it's unlikely any of these players will find other clubs too free up wages to recruit new players 

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7 minutes ago, gmcf said:

Really ? 

If that's the case the board fucked up badly . As much as I'm sticking up for PC , I'd rather have gone for a proven manager than gambling on someone we knew little about . 

FS , that's actually shocked me if that is the case . 

Not sure FDB qualifies as a proven manager any more than PC. Done well at Ajax, flopped at Inter. He (and his agent) said it publicly a few times that he'd only be interested at something from the summer. If he didn't want to take it on immediately, then it's his loss. Can't spent 4 months hanging about waiting for a manager to come in at his leisure.

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3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Not sure FDB qualifies as a proven manager any more than PC. Done well at Ajax, flopped at Inter. He (and his agent) said it publicly a few times that he'd only be interested at something from the summer. If he didn't want to take it on immediately, then it's his loss. Can't spent 4 months hanging about waiting for a manager to come in at his leisure.

I'd have thought Murty until the end of the season until Frank De Boer came in would be perfect. Said as much at the time.

I've no reason to doubt you but I'm really hoping it's not true as that would take Robertson and co's inadaquecies to a whole new level. 

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Just now, K.A.I said:

I'd have thought Murty until the end of the season until Frank De Boer came in would be perfect. Said as much at the time.

I've no reason to doubt you but I'm really hoping it's not true as that would take Robertson and co's inadaquecies to a whole new level. 

You wanted Murty gone before he'd taken a game because his dad is a Celtic fan ffs.

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Just now, The Dude said:

You wanted Murty gone before he'd taken a game because his dad is a Celtic fan ffs.

No I didn't. That's absolute bollocks.

Someone who's good at finding posts do me a favour and do some digging - I was defensive of him when people were calling him a tarrier.

You are 100% wrong on that. 

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56 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I've made some of these points in the match thread already but some of it needs said again.

This managerial appointment was supposed to be the most important in our history given where we were. Anyone with a brain knew this yet Stewart Robertson and his wee interview panel decided to go with the one thing we couldn't do (a gamble)

It's an absolute fact that he was recommended to us by Pedro Mendes, we gave him an interview and he came across well at the interview so we gave him the job on the strength of that rather than merit or anything he's achieved in the game. That's fucking ridiculous.

In true Rangers fashion we give this bullfighting mug a 4-year contract meaning that if he is shite, it will probably cost us anywhere from 500k to 1-million quid to sack him if it appears quickly he's not the right man for us.

It's absolutely correct that he's been dealt a shite hand with the shite Warburton signed and left him but he knew that when he accepted the job. There's a lot more to being a manager than that. Good managers can still do a job with shite players - it's been documented loads elsewhere. If he got a result today or last weekend he'd have got all the credit too, and rightly so.

THAT TARRIER TEAM THAT PLAYED US OFF THE PARK AND DOMINATED US TODAY, LITERALLY 90% OF THEM WERE HERE LAST SEASON UNDER DELIA. LET THAT SINK IN WHEN MAKING THE EXCUSES FOR PEDRO ABOUT BEING LEFT WITH WARBURTON'S SHITE. 

The key is that above is "good managers" - Pedro isn't. 

We are quickly at the same stage as we were with Warburton where we know we need serious funds to improve the team but if we do get them, has Pedro shown enough so far to justify giving him the funds to spend? how can we find ourself in this fucked-up position twice in quick succession? 

Pedro is a knowledgable guy with tactics and ideas and philosophies coming out his pours - that's why he's suited to being a number two at some other team with a more technical infustructure. 

Someone earlier said he's the Portugese Ian Cathro. That's 100% correct.

It's not the time to have a pop at other fans on here but I'm hoping this is a wake-up moment for the people on here who seems to be taken in time and time against by the bluster and bullshite when we've got managers like Warburton and Pedro who talk absolute tactical pish and buy into it thinking it's what we need when it isn't. Likewise this director of football pish. 

I'm sick saying that mastering Scottish football isn't rocket science. You need to build a spine of a team starting from defence, be organised and have a winning mentality. We need a strong manager and some funds - not some revolutionary gamble. 

Does anyone ever get the feeling that we're just being trolled and laughed at by the club? I do. We've got a boardroom full of liars, self serving wankers and people that's out of their depth. 

Murty (after a couple of bad results early on, granted) was able to put his stamp on this team, get them organised and stuck in. I'd happily pay Pedro off and give it back to Murty until the summer and have the money for Pedro's termination come straight out Robertson's fucking pocket.

We're all hurting mate. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll win another game this season, now that we have to play top six teams. If Hamilton had made it?

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5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

You wanted Murty gone before he'd taken a game because his dad is a Celtic fan ffs.

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1 minute ago, Thewhitesettler said:

We're all hurting mate. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll win another game this season, now that we have to play top six teams. If Hamilton had made it?

Just aslong as we beat Aberdeen at Ibrox ... I'd play the unders for every other game outwith. 

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I don't even know how we come back from this, he isn't the man for the job and that much is clear. For me the only way this ends well is with the current board fucking off and someone who gives a fuck coming in, that's not happening anytime soon either. I seriously think we're in a worse position now than when Mccoist left.

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2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Not sure FDB qualifies as a proven manager any more than PC. Done well at Ajax, flopped at Inter. He (and his agent) said it publicly a few times that he'd only be interested at something from the summer. If he didn't want to take it on immediately, then it's his loss. Can't spent 4 months hanging about waiting for a manager to come in at his leisure.

Still his success at Ajax is still pretty substantial . 

I always thought it was his wage demands or the size of budget he wanted that was the stumbling block not the fact he wanted to wait 4 months . We could have had Murty bossing till then . 

I disagreed with @K.A.I because the alternatives of McLeish , Wright , Davies etc didn't fill me with any great confidence on doing better than PC , but if FDB could have been available then I can see where he's coming from . 

Still think we have to give PC time though , now that the decision has been made , but , imo, the board took the wrong option back then . 

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3 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

No I didn't. That's absolute bollocks.

Someone who's good at finding posts do me a favour and do some digging - I was defensive of him when people were calling him a tarrier.

You are 100% wrong on that. 

My mistake, you gave him a game or two before deciding he didn't have it in him.

 

 

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Just about spot on OP. Can't add any more. If Caixinha is the manager at the start of next season it isn't really hard to imagine next season actually being worse than this one.

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Just now, gmcf said:

Still his success at Ajax is still pretty substantial . 

I always thought it was his wage demands or the size of budget he wanted that was the stumbling block not the fact he wanted to wait 4 months . We could have had Murty bossing till then . 

I disagreed with @K.A.I because the alternatives of McLeish , Wright , Davies etc didn't fill me with any great confidence on doing better than PC , but if FDB could have been available then I can see where he's coming from . 

Still think we have to give PC time though , now that the decision has been made , but , imo, the board took the wrong option back then . 

When the club made it clear they were looking for an immediate appointment FdB wanted nothing to do with it. We never even got as far as discussing finances with him for it to be an issue.

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1 minute ago, K.A.I said:

Just aslong as we beat Aberdeen at Ibrox ... I'd play the unders for every other game outwith. 

I agree with you.

A wee bit of good news Steven Naismith got sent off.??