Pedro the man.

[The Dude 20,026]

12 minutes ago, Big Al II said:

Wee need to bring in more money...simple. Soft loans and share issues are not the answer. There is no reason they cunts should be so far ahead financially, even allowing for CL earnings.

If the board can't grow turnover significantly then they should move aside and let people who can have a go.

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Who are these people and where have they been over the last decade?

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

5 minutes ago, cushynumber said:

some good points made. Ghost written obv

Ah, so you're here at last.

Can you please confirm the net average spend.

To confirm I had @Gustav ghost write it for me.

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

I back the board by pointing out figures included in both club's annual accounts? I've repeatedly said I'm not a fan of King but in the absence of any alternatives then he's what we're stuck with. A real unwavering show of support there. In fact I've even said that they need to back the manager (regardless of who it is) financially if we are to challenge them for the title.

Odd that you'd originally reply if you have no interest in debating it.

Not sure what relevance writing a blog for the record has to a discussion about the financial gulf between us and them.

Are only some views on ex-players verboten? Perhaps you'll piss and whine about those who call McCoist a thief or Johnstone an Uncle Tom next although I'll not hold my breath there...

 

"I'm not interested in debating with you Dude.

It's clear you'll back the board no matter what, and I've seen what you've posted about ex-players and who you work for."

As I said, I'm not interested in debating with you on this subject.

Odd that you didn't pick up on that, no doubt too caught up in your own self-importance to see what I was getting at.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jack The Flipper said:

"I'm not interested in debating with you Dude.

It's clear you'll back the board no matter what, and I've seen what you've posted about ex-players and who you work for."

As I said, I'm not interested in debating with you on this subject.

Odd that you didn't pick up on that, no doubt too caught up in your own self-importance to see what I was getting at.

 

Yet that's now twice you've replied directly to me.

Odd indeed.

[Sket 13,610]

1 hour ago, McEwan's Lager said:

Why you going around the forum saying this to people who don't think the Manager is good enough?

None of us are cunts wanting us to get beat so Pedro goes.

Its the truth. If you dont think the manager is good enough then obviously you would've been raging with the win last night. 

[Helicopter Sundae 6,047]

2 hours ago, Blue Avenger said:

Here we have a man new to these shores, arriving at a club in turmoil. Inheriting a dysfunctional team laden with poor quality and conflict.

One could be forgiven for thinking that he might be given a warm welcome, particularly given the state we were/are in, both on and off the park. Not in this back yard. Not a Ranger's man, so a tough sell.

The rest of the country were intrigued by this unknown quantity, whilst many of our own and a hating mhedia were against him from the off and couldn't wait to put the knife in, but just part of every day life in this parochial backwater for a newcomer to get used to.

He certainly gave the incumbents their chance to shine under him, but the results (must have been Pedro's fault!) showed otherwise and the clearout gets underway over the summer.

8 games into a new season and we sit 3rd after a roller coaster start to a new season.

We win 4-1 on a shit night away from home, after going one down, with ten men playing on a surface more suited to ice skaters. The malcontents among us have their say. We were shite. Hamilton were rotten. Well again, that's life in the parochial backwater. Doesn't matter that we won 4-1 away from home on a pitch that would have made Barca look like Annan Athletic.

Then we have Pedro the man. A colourful and likeable character, who has  shown the passion and and commitment in spades, along with his knowledge of the game. A man of obvious integrity, with a work ethic second to none. 

Spends an average of 500k on new players in. Some look the part, some don't but what is obvious, a million miles off the quality of our biggest rival. Now if the man hadn't been given a more chilly a welcome, we then get humped by our greatest rival. By a team where we couldn't even afford to buy one of their players, far less their wages. A team who had just won the treble, qualified for the CL and on a record unbeaten run. The bile and and the rage of the malcontents ensues.

Being a fully paid up member of the parochial backwater, one can understand and be well used to the reaction as we can't see past the end of our noses. Like we were ever going to take the scum fielding a new team of inferior quality that our budget permits?!

Ah but, look at our other other results the malcontents then cry. Yes look at them. On an average spend of 500k, we have a God given right to be better that our other also rans in this league? Some would have us believe so, whilst the reality is we are fielding  pretty much a whole new team of inferior quality to the scum, but pretty much of a similar level to all the other also rans. Forgive me for thinking that we have no God given to look any better than Thistle under these constraints at this juncture. But, but, we are Rangers. That makes a lot ot of sense. Doesn't it?!

We need to be second and a good  second at that, so the manager must go they cry, as they deflect from the real problem, that big fuck off elephant in the room and proceed to perpetuate their agenda and abuse an honest man.

Yes we do need to be better, but after 8 games and a new squad and we now sit 3rd with a squad that is indeed actually improving. Patience is not a virtue in this backwater. I also couldn't  find anything in our proud history where being second is our default setting. Appears to be a new trend emerging to justify the malcontents posture in all this.

Worst of all, there is the treatment by some among us of our manager. The personal character assasination. The hate and the bile that spews forth from their foul mouths as they lay this good man bare and throw him under a bus to satisfy some recessed inadequacy within them. Another unpleasent characteristic of this parochial backwater that any newcomer might think he has landed on another planet.

The treatment of this good man by both the mhedia and some of our own is nothing short of a disgrace. Cowardice in it's worst form and those among us should know better, particularly from where we have just been and the injustice meted out to us. We have simply learned nothing.

By all means criticise him or anyone else on their performance, but to be so disrespectful to a Ranger's manager, who has done nothing but do his best since arriving beggars belief. The only manager I know who gets abuse when he wins. This man wears his heart on his sleave and it is obvious that he bleeds for us, this relative stranger who has taken up the cause. He is no Pep G, but WTF do we expect given our circumstances? We should be ashamed of ourselves. Loyalty and defend, we wouldn't know it if we fell over it. 

He may not be the best, but he has my full backing for the qualities he does possess, in his integrity, in his passion and commitment to our cause. In both in his honesty and in his naivety. These attributes are what have been sorely lacking in our club over the last six years, but some are intent on mistaking them for weakness.

We are constrained by what we don't know. Not to recognise it is the weakness.

This current board have engendered a culture whereby failure is acceptable and planned for. They have engendered a culrture of mistrust and uncertainty due to their lack of transparency and underfunding. They have eroded our values and integrity by sharp business practice and allowing our haters to have open season on us. We are simply surrounded by a web of deceipt and lies.

We deserve much better but make no mistake, many an honest man would be devoured in such an envirionment.

Many ask if Pedro is the man. I ask, the man for what? If it is to improve us, no problem. If it is to take the the title, no chance. Even if it was Pep G himself, the answer is quite simple. We don't have the funds to take that title and never will have with this board in charge.

Oh well, let's not face or deal with that small issue, let's just hang the players and the manager. Much easier of course, but also much more cowardly.

So, I ask the question, just how many managers and players are we going to hang before we wake up and smell the coffee and do something about it? I would say quite a few and then we wake up and grow a pair just after the scum take 10 iar! All too late and that would be a record never to be overtaken and won't everyone in this backwater ever let us forget it.

I conclude, that Pedro is the man who will improve us and deliver the "board's" aspirations without a shadow of a doubt. Just a pity some are so cowardly as not to admit to it. If those malcontents have an issue with the board's aspirations in being second, better they grew a spine and it took up with them than abusing the easy targets and embarassing  both themselves and the whole club.

Whether Pedro stays or goes will make no difference to me personally, but sad that we have used and abused and honest and compassionate man. Maybe it's him who has dodged a bullet if he goes and I have no doubt whatsoever we will be worse off without him. 

The next manager and and the next after cannot succeed in the current financial landscape and will only cause further disruption and uncertainty as these things do and the results will only get worse as the numbers of players sitting in the stands increases and eat away at an already limited budget. The law of diminishing returns kick in and that leads to only one place and it is far from being first in anything.

Now where the fuck is that elephant?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sket 13,610]

27 minutes ago, Bronzy said:

I think he's being sarcastic.

Who? Me?

 

Never.

[Sket 13,610]

1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said:

How did you ever guess?

Its obvious from your posts you are seething with rage.

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

Just now, The Dude said:

Yet that's now twice you've replied directly to me.

Odd indeed.

Again I'll quote myself again, you're clearly not as intelligent as you think you are.

"I'm not interested in debating with you Dude."

I'm not debating with you, I'm replying to show your stupidity. I'll continue to do this until you understand my original reply to you. If this ends up with me just replying with "" then so be it.

Do you understand that reply doesn't always mean the continuation of debate? 

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jack The Flipper said:

Again I'll quote myself again, you're clearly not as intelligent as you think you are.

"I'm not interested in debating with you Dude."

I'm not debating with you, I'm replying to show your stupidity. I'll continue to do this until you understand my original reply to you. If this ends up with me just replying with "" then so be it.

Do you understand that reply doesn't always mean the continuation of debate? 

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You're showing my stupidity by repeatedly replying to someone you don't want to debate with?

Normally if you didn't want to debate something with someone you'd simply ignore it. Obviously though, your superior intellect has a unique twist on that.

 

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

You're showing my stupidity by repeatedly replying to someone you don't want to debate with?

Normally if you didn't want to debate something with someone you'd simply ignore it. Obviously though, your superior intellect has a unique twist on that.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said:

Again I'll quote myself again, you're clearly not as intelligent as you think you are.

"I'm not interested in debating with you Dude."

I'm not debating with you, I'm replying to show your stupidity. I'll continue to do this until you understand my original reply to you. If this ends up with me just replying with "" then so be it.

Do you understand that reply doesn't always mean the continuation of debate? 

 

[The Dude 20,026]

4 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said:

 

 

Christ, that superior intellect of yours is really showing.

[Big Al 55 9,276]

28 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Who are these people and where have they been over the last decade?

Not talking about investors im talking about people who can take the club forward by increasing revenue.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Big Al II said:

Not talking about investors im talking about people who can take the club forward by increasing revenue.

So who/where are they?

How do we close the gap on CL money without new investors as there's only so much we can make domestically?

[The Dude 20,026]

4 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Hopefully The Dude gets much more work again soon....

I'm working right now.

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

6 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Hopefully The Dude gets much more work again soon....

[Big Al 55 9,276]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

So who/where are they?

How do we close the gap on CL money without new investors as there's only so much we can make domestically?

There's a far bigger deficit than CL money. If the team don't perform the manager is replaced if the club don't perform the chief executive is replaced by someone who can take us forward.

[gmcf 34,316]

Enjoyed that and some good points . 

I wouldn't be too harsh on those who have had enough though , I don't agree with them , but I do understand it . The personal abuse ? No . But being honest , I've not seen too much of that , with most I've seen admiring the man and his passion but questioning his ability . 

I did think PC , of the candidates mentioned , was our best chance . I thought our best chance of bridging the financial gap between the tarriers and ourselves , was away from the usual ' Scottish ' game which would have been bread and butter to them . European wise , they're not very good and I had hoped that playing a different style of football could be to our advantage . What I didn't bargain for though , and probably Pedro too , was that there's a big difference playing that style on a week to week basis as opposed to the occasional European night . 

The OP is right . At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet and give someone time . And the earlier the better . We simply can't afford to keep throwing away needless money for the cost of every change of manager , together with his background team and playing squad he requires . 

The league started in August and were not even out of September yet , hardly time to settle the size of turn around of squad we've had , and yet a sizeable amount of fans are calling for his head . You must wonder if any prospective manager would leave the security of a steady job knowing fans would be calling for their heads after a couple of months if things don't go well . 

I don't know if PC will succeed  but I am willing to give him the time to have a chance of success , something , imo , he hasn't had yet . 

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Big Al II said:

There's a far bigger deficit than CL money. If the team don't perform the manager is replaced if the club don't perform the chief executive is replaced by someone who can take us forward.

There's a gap of around 40m between our revenue. They made nearly 30m of that from CL prize money, TV revenue and tickets sales.

[Jack The Flipper 5,936]

4 minutes ago, gmcf said:

Enjoyed that and some good points . 

I wouldn't be too harsh on those who have had enough though , I don't agree with them , but I do understand it . The personal abuse ? No . But being honest , I've not seen too much of that , with most I've seen admiring the man and his passion but questioning his ability . 

I did think PC , of the candidates mentioned , was our best chance . I thought our best chance of bridging the financial gap between the tarriers and ourselves , was away from the usual ' Scottish ' game which would have been bread and butter to them . European wise , they're not very good and I had hoped that playing a different style of football could be to our advantage . What I didn't bargain for though , and probably Pedro too , was that there's a big difference playing that style on a week to week basis as opposed to the occasional European night . 

The OP is right . At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet and give someone time . And the earlier the better . We simply can't afford to keep throwing away needless money for the cost of every change of manager , together with his background team and playing squad he requires . 

The league started in August and were not even out of September yet , hardly time to settle the size of turn around of squad we've had , and yet a sizeable amount of fans are calling for his head . You must wonder if any prospective manager would leave the security of a steady job knowing fans would be calling for their heads after a couple of months if things don't go well . 

I don't know if PC will succeed  but I am willing to give him the time to have a chance of success , something , imo , he hasn't had yet . 

A sensible and intelligent post mate.

[ForeverAndEver 71,637]

34 minutes ago, Sket said:

Its obvious from your posts you are seething with rage.

I'm sorry x.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Do you think clubs just gave us their players for hee-haw?

Ive no idea. 

I took we pay their wages so the club gets a wage off their books. 

[gmcf 34,316]

13 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said:

A sensible and intelligent post mate.

?

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Ive no idea. 

I took we pay their wages so the club gets a wage off their books. 

And using the example of Roberts again, they are covering his full wage and had to pay almost 3m just to get a shot of him for the season.

[K.A.I 36,183]

Blue Avenger's went from saying things through the week such as it doesn't matter if he stays or goes, neither rates him or doesn't, another manager such as McInnes would be just as bad as him, the board would appoint ANOTHER bad manager anyway (paraphrasing a wee bit but that's the message) to "he's the man' after a win against a shite Hamilton side.

Talk about flip-flopping.

I still think Pedro is a shite manager and would sack him this afternoon if I could.

Last night I enjoyed. I don't think we played THAT badly the way some make out - the pitch kinda ruined the game but you could tell we were the vastly superior team and the effort was there in abundance coupled with some good goals. 

But that doesn't change a thing for me. The damage has been long done and we need a change but I hate the way the online culture is ... one good game everyones the man such as Pedro, Declan John's the new Gareth Bale for the goals, Fod is Buffon for the penalty save ... likewise one bad result and there's hell on and people demanding statements from the board and Club72 (even if I acknowledge there's some things we need a statement on recently but haven't got)

As I said it's the nature of things but I wish people would have the courage of their convictions, have a sensible opinion and just stick to it barring something major. Good or bad.