The famine song and the flower of Scotland

[macleod1873 0]

I also realised the other day that for years we have been subjected to "Go home ya h*** go home" but of course the mhedia cant see anything wrong with that

[mrmytto 220]

theres no need to slate the tartan army, they are singing the flower of scotland because its the national anthem and has been for many years and its a song everyone knows and enjoys singing along to even though there is a bit of racism in it "and sent him homeward to think again" or whatever.

the famine song doesnt have that many offensive words in it but its the media blowing it all out of proportion because theres more of a story to report on when it comes to sectarian hatred rather than the rivalrly between scotland and england. thats the main difference

Flower of Scotland isn't our national anthem!

[GOAT 30,449]

The introduction of Flower of Scotland was partly due to hostility amongst rugby and football fans toward the British national anthem God Save the Queen being used to represent Scotland, there being no other suitable anthem at the time. The song was popular amongst rugby supporters and was finally brought in as an unofficial anthem in response to God Save the Queen being continually drowned out by the ferocious booing and whistling of some of the Scotland supporters.[

Racists!

[Scott-RFC 308]

Theres a difference between singing about defeating an invading country, than people immigrating to survive a famine

And i know our chants are aimed at the plastic paddies

[Ibroxin83 0]

can someone post the words to the famine song so we can compare the 2 off them

[GOAT 30,449]

can someone post the words to the famine song so we can compare the 2 off them

Why don't you go home, why don't you go home...the Famine is over...why don't you go home.

[ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895]

what alot of sh*** this world is becoming boring why do rangers fans come on here and slag songs and say it is racist T.F.I.O. is no racist so get a grip

dont know how many times people are going to say this but it is just asking them who love ireland so much why dont you go home.??? its a question.

this country is becoming more like iraq or somewere were you cant say what you think anymore

[edranger 0]

The flower of Scotland is not the national anthem of Scotland.

Flower of Scotland

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Flower Of Scotland

National Anthem of Scotland

Lyrics Roy Williamson, c.1965

Flower of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: Flùr na h-Alba) is by tradition the national anthem of Scotland, a role for which it competes against the older Scotland the Brave. In common with England among the Home Nations, Scotland has no official national anthem. Flower of Scotland was written by Roy Williamson of the folk group The Corries and presented in 1967.[1] The song refers to the victory of the Scots, led by King Robert the Bruce over the King of England, Edward II, at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314.

The song is a particular favourite of Scottish national rugby union team, with the winger Billy Steele encouraging his team-mates to sing it on the Lions victorious tour of South Africa in 1974.[citation needed] The song was first sung as the pre-game anthem during the 1990 Five Nations championship[citation needed] (the forerunner of the Six Nations Championship) which culminated in the deciding match between Scotland and England which Scotland won 13-7 to win the Grand Slam. The last two lines of each verse are generally sung with particular ferocity, especially before games against England. Although not officially part of the anthem, after the line "and stood against him", it is customary to chant "against who?" after which follows the line "Proud Edward's army" in the official part of the anthem. Some singers will also insert a swear word after the line "Proud Edward's Army".[citation needed] The Scottish Football Association adopted "Flower of Scotland" as its official pre-game anthem in 1997[citation needed] although it was first used by them in 1993,[citation needed] following the Scottish Rugby Union's example. Usually only the first and third verses are sung.

The introduction of Flower of Scotland was partly due to hostility amongst rugby and football fans toward the British national anthem God Save the Queen being used to represent Scotland, there being no other suitable anthem at the time. The song was popular amongst rugby supporters and was finally brought in as an unofficial anthem in response to God Save the Queen being continually drowned out by the ferocious booing and whistling of some of the Scotland supporters.[citation needed]

A public petition was presented to the Scottish Parliament in 2004 calling for another song to be selected instead.[2]

One snag with Flower of Scotland is that it is difficult to play on the bagpipes.[citation needed] The third last note is a flattened seventh (or indeed an irregular seventh a blue note), which is not considered to be part of the standard pipe scale. In order to hit the correct note, a 'forked fingering' must be used which less experienced players are unlikely to be familiar with. Most pipe bands play the tune incorrectly.[citation needed] The tune was originally composed on the Northumbrian smallpipes,[citation needed] which play in F and have the benefit of keys on the chanter to achieve a greater range of notes.

In July 2006, the Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted an online poll (publicised by Reporting Scotland) in which voters could choose a national anthem from one of five candidates.[citation needed] 10,000 people took part in the poll in which Flower of Scotland came out a clear winner. The results were as follows:

Tune Votes (%)

Flower of Scotland 41%

Scotland the Brave 29%

Highland Cathedral 16%

A Man's a Man for A' That 7%

Scots Wha Hae 7%

Good Lord cat i though you had more sense

[OlegKuznetsov 10,816]

Battles and murder are socially acceptable. Starvation is not

Apparently the meaning of the song has been changed since I lived in Scotland then.

The standards have shifted purely to attack us.

Sadly, we have to ask for any standards to be applied equally and fairly.

Scotland has changed since you left.

The key bit is about celebrating foreigners being sent home.

That's what they say is wrong with TFIO.

The song has not changed it's still the same as when Ronnie Brown wrote it about being proud to be Scottish. Scotland has changed so many people grip about everything and have no pride left.

We didn't start it. The tims and Spiers did.

We don't want the song removed.

We're just pointing out the logical inconsistencies.

If the "famine is over, why don't you go home" is racist when sung by Scots to Scots, then "sent them homeward" about the English must also be considered in the same way.

They can't have one set of rules for us and another rule for others.

Flower of Scotland

Written by Roy Williamson of folk group The Corries in the 1960.

O Flower of Scotland,

When will we see

Your like again,

That fought and died for,

Your wee bit Hill and Glen,

And stood against him,

Proud Edward's army,

And sent him homeward,

Tae think again.

The hills are bare now,

And autumn leaves

lie thick and still,

O'er land that is lost now,

Which those so dearly held,

That stood against him,

Proud Edward's Army,

And sent him homeward,

Tae think again.

Those days are past now,

And in the past

they must remain,

But we can still rise now,

And be the nation again,

That stood against him,

Proud Edward's Army,

And sent him homeward,

Tae think again.

0 Flower of Scotland,

When will we see

your like again,

That fought and died for,

Your wee bit Hill and Glen,

And stood against him,

Proud Edward's Army,

And sent him homeward,

Tae think again.

If you read the bolded part it is about putting that behind us and being proud, after all the song is was part of our history.

It's the "sent homeward" part, going by these new standards being forced on us.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

what alot of sh*** this world is becoming boring why do rangers fans come on here and slag songs and say it is racist T.F.I.O. is no racist so get a grip

dont know how many times people are going to say this but it is just asking them who love ireland so much why dont you go home.??? its a question.

this country is becoming more like iraq or somewere were you cant say what you think anymore

I beg to differ ....though Im not going to get offended by it.

What I would say is that as a proud Scotsman Im embarrassed that the song we chose to represent our country simply epitomises our petty small minded hatred of the English....how sad is that ?

[cstamomusa 3,811]

The flower of Scotland is not the national anthem of Scotland.

Flower of Scotland

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Flower Of Scotland

National Anthem of Scotland

Lyrics Roy Williamson, c.1965

Flower of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: Flùr na h-Alba) is by tradition the national anthem of Scotland, a role for which it competes against the older Scotland the Brave. In common with England among the Home Nations, Scotland has no official national anthem. Flower of Scotland was written by Roy Williamson of the folk group The Corries and presented in 1967.[1] The song refers to the victory of the Scots, led by King Robert the Bruce over the King of England, Edward II, at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314.

The song is a particular favourite of Scottish national rugby union team, with the winger Billy Steele encouraging his team-mates to sing it on the Lions victorious tour of South Africa in 1974.[citation needed] The song was first sung as the pre-game anthem during the 1990 Five Nations championship[citation needed] (the forerunner of the Six Nations Championship) which culminated in the deciding match between Scotland and England which Scotland won 13-7 to win the Grand Slam. The last two lines of each verse are generally sung with particular ferocity, especially before games against England. Although not officially part of the anthem, after the line "and stood against him", it is customary to chant "against who?" after which follows the line "Proud Edward's army" in the official part of the anthem. Some singers will also insert a swear word after the line "Proud Edward's Army".[citation needed] The Scottish Football Association adopted "Flower of Scotland" as its official pre-game anthem in 1997[citation needed] although it was first used by them in 1993,[citation needed] following the Scottish Rugby Union's example. Usually only the first and third verses are sung.

The introduction of Flower of Scotland was partly due to hostility amongst rugby and football fans toward the British national anthem God Save the Queen being used to represent Scotland, there being no other suitable anthem at the time. The song was popular amongst rugby supporters and was finally brought in as an unofficial anthem in response to God Save the Queen being continually drowned out by the ferocious booing and whistling of some of the Scotland supporters.[citation needed]

A public petition was presented to the Scottish Parliament in 2004 calling for another song to be selected instead.[2]

One snag with Flower of Scotland is that it is difficult to play on the bagpipes.[citation needed] The third last note is a flattened seventh (or indeed an irregular seventh a blue note), which is not considered to be part of the standard pipe scale. In order to hit the correct note, a 'forked fingering' must be used which less experienced players are unlikely to be familiar with. Most pipe bands play the tune incorrectly.[citation needed] The tune was originally composed on the Northumbrian smallpipes,[citation needed] which play in F and have the benefit of keys on the chanter to achieve a greater range of notes.

In July 2006, the Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted an online poll (publicised by Reporting Scotland) in which voters could choose a national anthem from one of five candidates.[citation needed] 10,000 people took part in the poll in which Flower of Scotland came out a clear winner. The results were as follows:

Tune Votes (%)

Flower of Scotland 41%

Scotland the Brave 29%

Highland Cathedral 16%

A Man's a Man for A' That 7%

Scots Wha Hae 7%

Good Lord cat i though you had more sense

I think it is a beautiful song and I am proud to sing it I won't stop either just because you and other use it in your tit for tat battle with fans from another team.

[Ibroxin83 0]

can someone post the words to the famine song so we can compare the 2 off them

Why don't you go home, why don't you go home...the Famine is over...why don't you go home.

yep get that bit is there not anymore words than that cause there is nothing wrong with that.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

I think it is a beautiful song and I am proud to sing it I won't stop either just because you and other use it in your tit for tat battle with fans from another team.

But you are quite happy to see Rangers fans treated in a manner which is not consistent ?

[edranger 0]

The flower of Scotland is not the national anthem of Scotland.

Flower of Scotland

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Flower Of Scotland

National Anthem of Scotland

Lyrics Roy Williamson, c.1965

Flower of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: Flùr na h-Alba) is by tradition the national anthem of Scotland, a role for which it competes against the older Scotland the Brave. In common with England among the Home Nations, Scotland has no official national anthem. Flower of Scotland was written by Roy Williamson of the folk group The Corries and presented in 1967.[1] The song refers to the victory of the Scots, led by King Robert the Bruce over the King of England, Edward II, at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314.

The song is a particular favourite of Scottish national rugby union team, with the winger Billy Steele encouraging his team-mates to sing it on the Lions victorious tour of South Africa in 1974.[citation needed] The song was first sung as the pre-game anthem during the 1990 Five Nations championship[citation needed] (the forerunner of the Six Nations Championship) which culminated in the deciding match between Scotland and England which Scotland won 13-7 to win the Grand Slam. The last two lines of each verse are generally sung with particular ferocity, especially before games against England. Although not officially part of the anthem, after the line "and stood against him", it is customary to chant "against who?" after which follows the line "Proud Edward's army" in the official part of the anthem. Some singers will also insert a swear word after the line "Proud Edward's Army".[citation needed] The Scottish Football Association adopted "Flower of Scotland" as its official pre-game anthem in 1997[citation needed] although it was first used by them in 1993,[citation needed] following the Scottish Rugby Union's example. Usually only the first and third verses are sung.

The introduction of Flower of Scotland was partly due to hostility amongst rugby and football fans toward the British national anthem God Save the Queen being used to represent Scotland, there being no other suitable anthem at the time. The song was popular amongst rugby supporters and was finally brought in as an unofficial anthem in response to God Save the Queen being continually drowned out by the ferocious booing and whistling of some of the Scotland supporters.[citation needed]

A public petition was presented to the Scottish Parliament in 2004 calling for another song to be selected instead.[2]

One snag with Flower of Scotland is that it is difficult to play on the bagpipes.[citation needed] The third last note is a flattened seventh (or indeed an irregular seventh a blue note), which is not considered to be part of the standard pipe scale. In order to hit the correct note, a 'forked fingering' must be used which less experienced players are unlikely to be familiar with. Most pipe bands play the tune incorrectly.[citation needed] The tune was originally composed on the Northumbrian smallpipes,[citation needed] which play in F and have the benefit of keys on the chanter to achieve a greater range of notes.

In July 2006, the Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted an online poll (publicised by Reporting Scotland) in which voters could choose a national anthem from one of five candidates.[citation needed] 10,000 people took part in the poll in which Flower of Scotland came out a clear winner. The results were as follows:

Tune Votes (%)

Flower of Scotland 41%

Scotland the Brave 29%

Highland Cathedral 16%

A Man's a Man for A' That 7%

Scots Wha Hae 7%

Good Lord cat i though you had more sense

I think it is a beautiful song and I am proud to sing it I won't stop either just because you and other use it in your tit for tat battle with fans from another team.

Cat the point is its not the National Anthem that is all i have said or tried to say. And i am not in a tit for tat battle with any one sorry if you think so

[radlord 24]

I am of the opinion that Flower of Scotland is an absolute dirge - just narrowly more so than GSTQ - and that to describe it as 'racist' is borderline madness. Luckily I think most of you are being sarcastic describing it as so

[cstamomusa 3,811]

I think it is a beautiful song and I am proud to sing it I won't stop either just because you and other use it in your tit for tat battle with fans from another team.

But you are quite happy to see Rangers fans treated in a manner which is not consistent ?

of coarse I am jumping up and down as we speak. It's just smeltic supporters that know how to use a keyboard and can write news articles, poor us if only we could do something about that. Oh yes we can complain about a Scottish song that represents the past. People are just losing sympathy about the whole situation since it's just turned into they said, we said.

[*Manticore* 1,893]

In a rationale world neither would be considered racist.

But for the life of me I can't see why people think FoS is racist?

Can anybody explain (without reference to other songs)?

[BlueIsTheColour 35]

theres no need to slate the tartan army, they are singing the flower of scotland because its the national anthem and has been for many years and its a song everyone knows and enjoys singing along to even though there is a bit of racism in it "and sent him homeward to think again" or whatever.

the famine song doesnt have that many offensive words in it but its the media blowing it all out of proportion because theres more of a story to report on when it comes to sectarian hatred rather than the rivalrly between scotland and england. thats the main difference

The National Anthem of Scotland is the one the Tartan Trannies booed a couple of months ago. Remember that?

Fools.

[BlueIsTheColour 35]

In a rationale world neither would be considered racist.

But for the life of me I can't see why people think FoS is racist?

Can anybody explain (without reference to other songs)?

In our rational minds it isn't mate, but in the minds of those who consider TFS as racist then the same rules apply to TFOS.

They are basically one in the same. Apart from TFOS is singing about sending the English home, we are just mocking plastic paddies.

[mrmytto 220]

"Proud Edward's Army,

And sent him homeward,"

What's the difference between that and TFS?

Surely it's the same thing, "The famine is over, why don't you go home" - "And sent him homeward", surely the would be deemed racist to?

[cstamomusa 3,811]

In a rationale world neither would be considered racist.

But for the life of me I can't see why people think FoS is racist?

Can anybody explain (without reference to other songs)?

Someone was suposed to post the words to the FOS but haven't, guess no one knows the words

[WATPRFCNo1 0]

everyone's focusing on the line "sent them homewards, tae think again"..its followed by "those days are past now, and in the past they must remain"..the difference between TFIO & FoS is basically this imo, TFIO is clearly just a chant to get it round the Celtc fans, FoS is a song celebrating our history, I dont have a problem with TFIO but theres a huge difference in how both are sung.

[NOLUWDC 1]

It's got so bad we are now saying The Flower of Scotland is racist neither song is racist.

[MadBarry 2]

In a rationale world neither would be considered racist.

But for the life of me I can't see why people think FoS is racist?

Can anybody explain (without reference to other songs)?

Someone was suposed to post the words to the FOS but haven't, guess no one knows the words

I think the SFA are writing them up just now

[mrmytto 220]

everyone's focusing on the line "sent them homewards, tae think again"..its followed by "those days are past now, and in the past they must remain"..the difference between TFIO & FoS is basically this imo, TFIO is clearly just a chant to get it round the Celtc fans, FoS is a song celebrating our history, I dont have a problem with TFIO but theres a huge difference in how both are sung.

They are both about sending people home, or going home, so if TFS is deemed racist then why isn't FoS deemed racist?