Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: Using hearts as an example of how a Director of Football is used is stupid, that's the only time I've ever seen or heard of it happening. It's also why I don't believe we should be going for an ex manager as a DoF It is a valid example. Levein's title is Director of Football. Do you read all the sports pages of Spanish, German, Dutch, Brazilian, Argentinian newspapers? If not, you are unable to say it does not happen just because you havn't seen or heard of it. For all you and I know, it could be a common occurence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, trueblueal said: So Jose do you want the DOF job at Rangers? I'm not a DOF I'm a manager and I havent been offered it anyway  MOURINHO REJECTS RANGERS DOF ROLE Thank fuck. CH, CG and MD have more class than that apology for a human being. I would rather have TLB than that cretin. The only way I would have him would be if he paid for any transfers. After all, he has more money than our board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluchoo 846 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Would have taken him as manager as a stop gap till the end of the season but his time has been and gone Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theiconicman 2,991 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Our DoF is more of a back room role than management. Would suit the younger savvy types than crusty old managers like Levein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Devil 350 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Corky True Legend said: It is a valid example. Levein's title is Director of Football. Do you read all the sports pages of Spanish, German, Dutch, Brazilian, Argentinian newspapers? If not, you are unable to say it does not happen just because you havn't seen or heard of it. For all you and I know, it could be a common occurence. This why DoF works in Europe but has not worked well in the UK so far. Â A DoF is not a "senior Manager". In many ways a DoF is subservient to the first team manager. The DoF makes sure the rest of the football operation is running in such a way as to best support the first team, it reduces burdens and time pressures on the manager in order to let him focus on the first team. Â But the DoF is there to supply the manager with what he needs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemac 5,001 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Don't see how a DOF would work considering we got caixinha in as a manager and not a head coach. It's my understanding that a DOF is responsible for transfers and scouting leaving the coach to just select the team and obviously work the training. Because we brought him and his assistants in as manager and assistant managers, i really don't see the point of a DOF especially in our financial position. That 200k+ a year could go into other more practical areas, such as towards youth development, scouting, or paying rossiter's private medical fees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, stevemac said: Don't see how a DOF would work considering we got caixinha in as a manager and not a head coach. It's my understanding that a DOF is responsible for transfers and scouting leaving the coach to just select the team and obviously work the training. Because we brought him and his assistants in as manager and assistant managers, i really don't see the point of a DOF especially in our financial position. That 200k+ a year could go into other more practical areas, such as towards youth development, scouting, or paying rossiter's private medical fees. That is a recipe for disaster. So the Director of Football buys in 3 new players who don't fit the coach's style of play so he doesn't pick them. 3 wasted wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,133 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 As it looks like Pedro is interviewing for his local assistant, then it puts pay to the DoF role - as he pretty much doing it already. I just don't think we have the cash to fulfill the DoF role properly at the moment, and it should be shelved for a couple of seasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 8,904 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I would put this search on the back burner for now, until a really outstanding candidate makes an appearance. It really isn't and shouldn't be priority in the short term. Would rather Pedro got to grips with things first and then after a few months ask him if he wants one or indeed needs one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonderry_Bear 111 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Corky True Legend said: That is a recipe for disaster. So the Director of Football buys in 3 new players who don't fit the coach's style of play so he doesn't pick them. 3 wasted wages. The European model, at least the way Ajax run it, is that the manager identifies an area in the team that needs strengthening. The DoF is the given a brief of the type of player required, he then proceeds to scour the globe for players matching that brief and presents the options to the manager who then decides who should be signed. Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,681 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 The local assistant is probably more useful than the DOF and I think that is the route we will take. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, Londonderry_Bear said: The European model, at least the way Ajax run it, is that the manager identifies an area in the team that needs strengthening. The DoF is the given a brief of the type of player required, he then proceeds to scour the globe for players matching that brief and presents the options to the manager who then decides who should be signed. Â In other words, a Chief Scout. Why not just call him that and get away with a lower wage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,454 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: The local assistant is probably more useful than the DOF and I think that is the route we will take. They aren't mutually exclusive though. It has gone very quiet on that Spurs bloke Mitchell. Leading me to conclude we are after him but need to wait until his 'garden leave'Â is up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Willis said: Can't see us appointing a DOF now tbh Me neither Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Corky True Legend said: In other words, a Chief Scout. Why not just call him that and get away with a lower wage? Its not just scouting, obviously, or he would be called a Chief Scout ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain88 70 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Feel free to shoot this down but here is what i was told...  My boss is a friend of his and says Mcleish was given a very informal interview for the role down in London a few weeks ago but money was a major stumbling block. Wanted guaranteed funds etc for transfers and the salary being offered wasn't what he would have expected. Apparently the board thought he still had his house up here too but i hear he's sold up and lives in Fulham these days. Apparently didn't have much good to say about those who interviewed him anyways. My boss is a tim mind you so take it with a pinch of salt.    Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Good..never fancied anymore Jose Karl Pierre fan fan signings Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, iain88 said: Feel free to shoot this down but here is what i was told...  My boss is a friend of his and says Mcleish was given a very informal interview for the role down in London a few weeks ago but money was a major stumbling block. Wanted guaranteed funds etc for transfers and the salary being offered wasn't what he would have expected. Apparently the board thought he still had his house up here too but i hear he's sold up and lives in Fulham these days. Apparently didn't have much good to say about those who interviewed him anyways. My boss is a tim mind you so take it with a pinch of salt.    Pinch? maybe a little bit more than that,I'm calling that one shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup2 1,535 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 No point in paying a high wage for a DOF till we let Pedro and his team get settled. I would rather the money was used at the moment toward players no point  being top heavy and scrimping on the field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 9 hours ago, johanhentze said: Its not just scouting, obviously, or he would be called a Chief Scout ;) If you look at what Londonderry_Bear posted, it is a chief scout. This is the big problem; everyone has their own ideas as to what the duties of a director of football are. Until the board are transparent (no laughing at the back) as to their interpretation of his role, we cannot decide whether we are for/against such an appointment. My personal opinion s that they just want another whipping boy to protect themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Corky True Legend said: If you look at what Londonderry_Bear posted, it is a chief scout. This is the big problem; everyone has their own ideas as to what the duties of a director of football are. Until the board are transparent (no laughing at the back) as to their interpretation of his role, we cannot decide whether we are for/against such an appointment. My personal opinion s that they just want another whipping boy to protect themselves. Provided the board, manager and the new DOF are clear on the roles it really doesn't matter what some guy on a forum thinks. Robertson has already outlined what they want from the DOF. Integration of first team and youth setups. Setting up scouting and recruitment processes. Administrative tasks and logistical tasks that a traditional manager might have undertaken. It's all on Robertsons interview and quite transparent Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, Corky True Legend said: If you look at what Londonderry_Bear posted, it is a chief scout. This is the big problem; everyone has their own ideas as to what the duties of a director of football are. Until the board are transparent (no laughing at the back) as to their interpretation of his role, we cannot decide whether we are for/against such an appointment. My personal opinion s that they just want another whipping boy to protect themselves. The truth is that all 'directors of football' probably have different roles at different clubs. Did our MD not describe the role in an interview? Im sure it was to oversee a scouting network along with day to day running to take a load of the Manager? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, johanhentze said: The truth is that all 'directors of football' probably have different roles at different clubs. Did our MD not describe the role in an interview? Im sure it was to oversee a scouting network along with day to day running to take a load of the Manager? Correct mate. All covered by our MD in a public interview Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 21 hours ago, gazza27 said: Good,his time has been and gone whether it was this job or the managers nonsense Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza27 15,283 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, AlCapone said: nonsense How's that then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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