Miller and Wallace Suspended

[Lloyd 10,756]

6 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

That is interested because before the celtic game at Ibrox, there was a bounce match with St Mirren was it? to get Wallace upto speed and he played in it and that was meant to be him almost fit - Murty said it himself but also conceded something about his heart rate/lung capcity only being at 75% which is understandable due to lack of matches so something might be amiss there, but then again the RO is the clubs wee moutpiece and PR machine, so they will say things like that to smear Wallace too in this wee battle that's heating up.

4 lads had a dream reported that he had a setback regarding his injury now they’ve changed their tune.

[TEFTONG 60,108]

Miller is a mouthy gobshite who even had his missus tweeting shite.

I'm finding it hard to believe that Wallace refused to play.  

Murty is fast becoming a pain in the arse who would be best to just leave.

We do however need a concerted and United campaign to remove the cunts running the club asap before we can even begin to hope to challenge.

Is there an investor out there to give them a lump sum and rebuild the Club..alas it seems not.

Shambles seems too weak a word to describe us today.

[TMB 14,167]

10 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

But if he's getting paid his wages, weekly, but put on gardening leave or something for the rest of his contract he will be gone long before the contract expires and doing something more productive and then sacrificing the payments. 

McCoist did nothing for the best part of a year while on gardening leave and was paid his full weekly wage during that period.  If Wallace was put on gardening leave for a year I imagine he would take the £15k/week and it's not like he has to sit around doing nothing he can go and work on his coaching badges, etc.

If you think players aren't happy to sit and do nothing but earn just take a look at MOH.  MOH is on a rumoured £6k/week and I bet he'll happily sit in the reserves until the summer of 2020.  Does anyone even know where he is?

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

You don't need to be dismissed to claim constructive dismissal. If you can argue they are trying to force you out the door then that's enough. If there is a "manufactured storm" then that could easily land us in the shit. By making it a formal disciplinary issue it becomes a whole different thing than telling them to go away for a day or two until it calms down then trying to move them (like O'Halloran)

So for example, if after a few weeks of being suspended on full pay the club decide to stick Wallace on gardening leave for the duration of his contract also paying him in full, he could claim constructive dismissal and get paid his contract in full anyway, and go elsewhere and work another club/position and not sacrifice the payments and get paid another wage? if so why doesn't every manager who's placed on G Leave not just do that too? 

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

11 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Fuck all to do with Smith or Ferguson. Where you there, aye? 

It is all about those on the receiving end on how they want to play it.  That's why those not with the program get very large packages to leave quietly. Think Barton and now these two muppets. Bullying in any work place is a breach, that includes football, but you should already know that.

When you become an employer I might listen.

You said this:

32 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Players are employees in a place of work and are bound by Employment law and the Health and Safety at Work Act. They CANNOT vent anger. They can express dispeasure, disagreement but they cannot show anger in doing so. Disciplinary if they do.  Venting anger can and does cause fear and is intimidating, both of which are not allowed in the workplace. It falls under bullying and stress at work. You can and will get hammered for it and rightly so. Even just raising your voice in disagreement can get you into bother.

 

I gave you two examples of people in the same industry who built extremely successful careers around venting anger. Did either of them get disciplinaries? Did they get hammered for it? Or are you talking utter shite?

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

4 minutes ago, Goosetav said:

There shouldn't be consequences for any Rangers player who points out how unacceptable it is to roll over to the filth.

None of us know who far it went, so until we do we don’t know what is acceptable or not. 

[ForeverAndEver 71,482]

3 minutes ago, dougal72 said:

This, David Edgar told a story on the Advocat years on Heart and hand of Ian Ferguson taking Dick aside after an old firm drubbing and making it clear to him that losing to that lot wasn't acceptable even if we're winning trebles etc. This was done in private as it should of been. Going for it in front of the whole team shows a real lack of respect and doesn't help the club in any way.

Numan told a story of Ferguson going absolutely fucking nuts after the 5-1 in the dressing room  Load of shite

 

 

If it comes out that Wallace never refused to play then he should sue TRO

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 minute ago, TMB said:

McCoist did nothing for the best part of a year while on gardening leave and was paid his full weekly wage during that period.  If Wallace was put on gardening leave for a year I imagine he would take the £15k/week and it's not like he has to sit around doing nothing he can go and work on his coaching badges, etc.

If you think players aren't happy to sit and do nothing but earn just take a look at MOH.  MOH is on a rumoured £6k/week and I bet he'll happily sit in the reserves until the summer of 2020.  Does anyone even know where he is?

I'm not saying for a fact what Wallace might or might not do - I'm only saying he's young, fit, something to offer and also wants to get into coaching he might want to move on and not sit around wasting a year albier on full pay which is totally different to McCoist so it's a daft comparison as McCoist was damaged goods, not a player that could go elsewhere and was a manager picking up a ridiculous wage ... that's getting sidetracked though as I don't really care what he does or doesn't do if that scenario happens as that's upto him - I'm trying to figure out how much trouble the board might be in, if any, by making Wallace and Miller scapegoats to take the heat off themselves. 

[Ibroxholm 2,276]

2 minutes ago, dougal72 said:

This, David Edgar told a story on the Advocat years on Heart and hand of Ian Ferguson taking Dick aside after an old firm drubbing and making it clear to him that losing to that lot wasn't acceptable even if we're winning trebles etc. This was done in private as it should of been. Going for it in front of the whole team shows a real lack of respect and doesn't help the club in any way.

Agree, particularly when we have young players tearing lumps out of each other in the tunnel and dressing room.  The two players had a right to express their opinion to the manager but they chose the wrong time, place and audience imo.

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

@Blue Avenger would have seen Walter sacked for this blatant display of anger against a co-worker...

[K.A.I 36,183]

6 minutes ago, Siwel said:

4 lads had a dream reported that he had a setback regarding his injury now they’ve changed their tune.

The paid-hands for the board out in force then, the PR machine rolling. 

[Lloyd 10,756]

Just now, Ger_onimo said:

@Blue Avenger would have seen Walter sacked for this blatant display of anger against a co-worker...

That’s fucking bullying in the workplace, an absolute disgrace

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

1 minute ago, Ger_onimo said:

@Blue Avenger would have seen Walter sacked for this blatant display of anger against a co-worker...

If Durrant had turned round there and decked him he would’ve been sacked. 

So what’s the point your trying to make. 

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

So for example, if after a few weeks of being suspended on full pay the club decide to stick Wallace on gardening leave for the duration of his contract also paying him in full, he could claim constructive dismissal and get paid his contract in full anyway, and go elsewhere and work another club/position and not sacrifice the payments and get paid another wage? if so why doesn't every manager who's placed on G Leave not just do that too? 

A manager isn’t normally put on gardening leave as a direct result of on-pitch performances which gives a board a legitimate reason to sack them/gardening leave and wouldn’t leave a club open to a constructive dismissal claim. The two aren’t really comparable if Wallace’s is a ‘manufactured storm’. 

[2nd Flute 14,036]

Bears arguing with Bears, players fighting, we are an absolute shambles, and the reptiles are laughing at us,as they coast to back to back trebles,and 10 in a row, fuckin sickening 

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

3 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

Agree, particularly when we have young players tearing lumps out of each other in the tunnel and dressing room.  The two players had a right to express their opinion to the manager but they chose the wrong time, place and audience imo.

Honestly think it went further than a shouting match. If it hasn’t then the club are at it, if it did then Miller and Wallace only have themselves to blame. 

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said:

If Durrant had turned round there and decked him he would’ve been sacked. 

So what’s the point your trying to make. 

It’s pretty straightforward, but here’s his post again:

42 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Players are employees in a place of work and are bound by Employment law and the Health and Safety at Work Act. They CANNOT vent anger. They can express dispeasure, disagreement but they cannot show anger in doing so. Disciplinary if they do.  Venting anger can and does cause fear and is intimidating, both of which are not allowed in the workplace. It falls under bullying and stress at work. You can and will get hammered for it and rightly so. Even just raising your voice in disagreement can get you into bother.

Same rules apply to managers as players, they’re all employees. Got it now?

[K.A.I 36,183]

Just now, The Dude said:

A manager isn’t normally put on gardening leave as a direct result of on-pitch performances which gives a board a legitimate reason to sack them/gardening leave and wouldn’t leave a club open to a constructive dismissal claim. The two aren’t really comparable if Wallace’s is a ‘manufactured storm’. 

Yeah but you aren't sacking someone though by putting them on gardening leave. That's what I'm saying. So I don't know where the dismissal aspect comes in?

You are asking them to stay away, whilst they are getting paid. Is that not entirely the clubs right provided they are still meeting their contractual obligations to the player? your under no obligation to have a player play every week or even report to train with the first team - so what's the difference? provided the board say the right things it won't be an issue.

Why did O'Halloran claim constructive dismissal when he was dropped, sent to train and play with the unders? 

[GWR1979 1,964]

1 hour ago, gsa said:

For what? He stayed with us for easy money. 

He's been one of our worst captains. All the indiscipline, the leaks, the lack of professionalism, the weakness. Clearly he's not responsible but where has he done anything as Rangers captain to address these things?

He could easily have left for better prospects thn div 3 in Scotland he stayed Loyal and has carried himself well as Rangers Captain we just publicly humiliate him in full public view. Scapegoated and he wasn't even on the park, Shocking way to get rid of a Rangers Legend.

[jackrfc95 4,255]

3 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Honestly think it went further than a shouting match. If it hasn’t then the club are at it, if it did then Miller and Wallace only have themselves to blame. 

4 lads had a dream saying they had to be held back by other players. 

[Lloyd 10,756]

Just now, jackrfc95 said:

4 lads had a dream saying they had to be held back by other players. 

Should be those other players suspended for holding them back.

[starofdavid 128]

15 minutes ago, TEFTONG said:

Miller is a mouthy gobshite who even had his missus tweeting shite.

I'm finding it hard to believe that Wallace refused to play.  

Murty is fast becoming a pain in the arse who would be best to just leave.

We do however need a concerted and United campaign to remove the cunts running the club asap before we can even begin to hope to challenge.

Is there an investor out there to give them a lump sum and rebuild the Club..alas it seems not.

Shambles seems too weak a word to describe us today.

I believe an investor is out there,45K ST holders ,worldwide fan base.....future investors will not invest whilst king is in charge,or even at the club,his business dealing leave a lot to be desired,investors invest to make money,not automatically lose it...we will have to wait and see 

[ForeverAndEver 71,482]

Just now, Siwel said:

Should be those other players suspended for holding them back.

Should hit the other players if they were playing

[BUILDMYGALLOWS1986 413]

[jackrfc95 4,255]

https://fourladshadadream.wordpress.com/2018/04/17/wallace-miller-and-another-shambles/

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Lee Wallace and Kenny Miller were today suspended from Rangers pending a formal investigation. Both were involved in a heated altercation in the dressing room on Sunday, to the extent both went further than they ever should have.

Rightly or wrongly, these players took boundaries of language and behaviour to the extremes, a line that must never be crossed was, to the extent senior professionals were holding them back.

Beyond all things, the Rangers managers position must be beyond that kind of behaviour. There must always be respect to the position and respect for the badge they represent. No matter what we think of the manager, respect should always be given.

Whilst a number of other allegations have been thrown at both players, we will stick to the facts that today’s announcement is on Sundays actions only.

What is absolutely clear is the players on the pitch, the management in the dugout and the boardroom continue to lead us from one inept football embarrassment to the next.

We have supported this board every step of the way, we have bought tickets, not bought memorabilia then bought it on request, sold out Season tickets and the list goes on.

The fans have done way beyond what has been asked of them.

We appreciate what you have done, we have highlighted the positives everywhere we can on this blog. We appreciate the funding, the development of the stadium, the defeat of Mike Ashley etc. It is even arguably fair to say off the pitch this boardroom is performing well.

But that does not mean this blog will turn a blind eye to the incompetence from a football perspective, that overshadows our club continuously. Asking the support to renew season tickets on blind faith is verging on contempt, you promised us transparency.

Where is the transparency?

Why do we constantly stumble from one embarrassment to the next? That’s what today is, another embarrassment. From humiliating results on the pitch to humiliating stories off it.

You, the board, are duty bound to fix this mess and be transparent with the supporters immediately, that’s what you promised. We are sick and tired of the current status quo.

Clarify the managers position for next season

Clarify the Kit manufacturing position immediately

Clarify why a youth coach, that nobody wants, is still employed in the managers dugout whilst we limp home this season

Clarify just how you are going to fix this mess

Give us the transparency you promised and do it before it’s to late, do it before you lose a fanbase that is close to breaking point.

We deserve better than the constant soul destroying embarrassment we face, enough is enough

A message to the players, management and boardroom –

The badge you represent is sacred and bigger than any of you. Start respecting it, respecting the support and performing to a standard befitting of our football club, on and off the pitch.