thebluedoo

Just caught the score.

Gosh, we lost 2-0 against a strong Championship team on their own ground who will be gunning for promotion to the Premier next year, and everyone wants the manager sacked.
I remember when we beat Chelsea 2-0 at Ibrox, maybe manager should have been sacked for not winning Champions's league after that result ?
Friendly results mean less than fuck all. Get over it. Real football starts soon.

sorry but that's just shite mate.Do you even remember the team we had playing the year before last? It was the team that could barely win a game away from home for a huge part of the season.....it was the team that got us pumped out in the first round of the cup to morton ( IIRC).
The guys we brought in took us fro a team playing shite football, and struggling to win matches.... to a team playing shite football that were rarely losing
I dread to think how much more of a chore last season would have been if we had went into it with the team we had in the 4th tier.

If they were to be found guilty by an EU investigation into state aid I would expect that there would have to be a full criminal investigation into certain people within the GCC, EDC, and DV office of HMRC who would have been seen to have facilitated the deals. There are certain Scots politicians who would be rightly feeling very nervous in regard to the influence they may have had. Last, but not least I would expect a certain well known "low level paper gatherer" to come under some very, very close scrutiny.
Sadly any such investigation might be used by the football authorities to delay any punishments to be dished out due to a criminal investigation. One thing I am sure of is if this business runs its full course it will probably take at least another three to four years at least before it is concluded.
As the recent weeks have passed I would have to say that I wouldn't expect any punishment to involve them being removed from the SPL as the powers that be will probably go for to line of "we did that to Rangers and it was a financial own goal". They may well strip the of titles, but they'll leave them in the league to give them a chance of avoiding relegation in a weakened state, and try and generate a TV audience of the back of it. Likewise if they are relegated they'll try and generate an audience of the "can they get back" type of thing. They'd probably see it as probable one year absence at worst. The only way I would see this chain of events being de-railed is if clubs feel they could gain more financially by suing for damages than from their continued presence in the league.

Anyone got an idea how comparable the finances of Derby are compared to Rangers, or do we only do that to detract from the managers victories just a thought
Can we keep this thread and wheel it our after every defeat omitting any victories in between defeats
Keep the faith people

"Celtic are favourites."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_102816629&feature=iv&src_vid=CZ3KCm3FgJw&v=8HQp6ORZeNY

Hi Soulboy
Tomo may not, however this website http://www.exaronews.com/ looks intresting.
What is Exaro?
Exaro is an online service that investigates issues that are important to business in particular and to the public in general, but which are being inadequately covered – or ignored – by the mainstream media.
Our specialisms are in-depth investigation and analysis. We investigate the decisions and actions of people in power. We root out material to provide insight, often using the increasing volume of data made available by public bodies, information that is rarely scrutinised.
For each investigation, we are committed to:
searching for the facts;
finding out all the relevant information;
regularly updating what we uncover.

Exaro is for people who want to be well informed about public governance, international affairs, and economic and commercial issues.
“Exaro” is a Latin word; it is the first-person singular of the verb, “exarare”, which means to plough, to dig up, or to inscribe on a wax tablet. “Exaro” is pronounced with the emphasis on the first syllable, just like “excavate”.
Do you think this would interest PZJ or anyone else trying to break this into mainstream media?

Update on the fundraising Auction:
Currently on auction - Ally Signed Print
Current winning bid: £72
Already Sold:
Law Framed Shirt – SOLD - £176
Faure Framed Shirt – SOLD - £153
Law SFL3 Medal – SOLD - £56
Law SPFL1 Medal - SOLD - £71
Cole Framed Shirt - SOLD - £82
Not yet up for auction:
Seb Faure signed SFL3 medal
Seb Faure signed SPFL1 medal
Nicky Law Boxed signed away shirt
Seb Faure Boxed signed away shirt
2 signed shirts (multiple signatures) - 1 old, 1 new, details to follow
Total raised so far (including current auction): £600

Can't believe I missed such a golden opportunity there. I love posting mutleys!

Pa! I've just caught me a pigeon!
Welcome to you
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thebluedoo

Been so much info to take in can't remember what's what now. Do remember an FOI was turned down and he didn't know about EIR at the time. Then I think they wouldn't disclose it as they said it was done by a 3rd party and because of data protection they couldn't release it. think he did get a desk top study which does not substitute the real thingThat was found out not to be true as you can divulge if it's done by a 3rd party thats when they came out with the international relations excuse.
Anything to cover up their shortcomings

Its not the SFA I will be supporting it will be the players past and present that represent my club and country, nobody needs tell me how badly we were treated by the SFA but I wont have these fuckers telling me who i will and wont be supporting, I am Scottish and proud of it, I am also delighted to be part of Brittain.
When they corrupt bastards are well gone, me and my generations to come will still be supporting Scotland, I also want any Scottish Rangers Internationals to know that there is people in the crowd backing them, just the way I am. Ranger, Scottish, Brittish and proud of it

Up until yesterday I hadn't come across anybody outwith my own circle of friends who brought the matter of the CG's up in conversation in regard to anything other than sport. So you will understand how surprised I was by the following.
On my way down the coast to enjoy the sunshine I nipped in for some petrol and as one does mentioned how good the weather was to the girl on the cash register. To my total surprise got the following response, "Yes it's great today, but when I stop at six I'm going home to do a rain dance". So I responded with "and rain on the CG's opening ceremony" and got the following in replay, "after seeing that documentary about how they forced those folk out of their homes for the village and things too right, I hope it pours down". Trying not to hold anybody else up I quickly explained to her that it was not just for the good of the games, but there are folk out there who are working to expose the full story of what has been going on in the east end.
Now I know it's not much, but I really do feel things are starting to turn, it may only be a slight change, but I really think more folk are starting to question why the opening was held at c****c park and not Hampden. Tbh, I suppose I was a bit surprised by the conversation, but it did leave me with a very broad smile on my face as I was leaving. I have no doubt that once people see how the games expenditure was really used and who have been the only ones to truly benefit financially things will really start to move. If at that time they find out that there is a full EU investigation into the state aid via land deals even the Scottish press won't be able to cover this business up. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and all that, we will have our day sooner or later.

New update to day on FTH stating the scum received over £200k for the sla before Lennoxtown was even opened then over another £200k the following year before anyone had used it.
The corruption is unreal
http://footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/what-services-did-edc-get-from-the-celtic-sla-especially-in-first-2-years-when-payments-to-celtic-were-highest/

Found this from Pzj on Bills blog. The letter at the bottom he has written is a holy shit moment.
pharez, zarah and judah says:
July 20, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Below is correspondence sent to Historic Scotland, with questions posed in reference to the demolition of the London Road School.
For the attention of Ms. Barbara Cummins, Director of Heritage Management
Dear Sirs,
DEMOLITION OF THE LONDON ROAD SCHOOL, GLASGOW
I am in receipt of your letter Ref HGG/A/SL/173 dated 16th June, 2014 following my complaint dated 23rd May, 2014 in respect of the demolition of the London Road School in Glasgow. This letter, together with attached letters of 3rd September, 2012 and 26th June, 2013 are attached in [Appendix 1].
I enjoyed your letter of 3rd September, 2012 and felt that you stated the case for preservation and re-use of the school very well.I would be obliged if you would confirm that the ‘justification document’ referred to in paragraph five is the SHEP Report submitted by Celtic Football Club (CFC) in July, 2012.
With reference to your letter dated 26th June, 2013 the statement by Glasgow City Council (GCC) that ‘demolition of the building will allow more scope to ‘showcase’ Glasgow during the Commonwealth Games’ is noted.
Your comment that ‘demolition being proposed at a very late stage’ is noted, as is your comment in paragraph five ‘we are not satisfied that the normal tests for demolition…………have been met.’
These noted comments have not been taken in isolation. When considered along with the fact that the Commonwealth Games appears to have taken some priority over the normal tests in line withnational policygives great cause for concern.These tests are:
• Importance of the building
• Condition of the building
• Economic viability of re-using the building
• Wider public benefits
I am in full agreement, that neither of these tests have been adequately applied.
May I also point out to you that the decision to demolish the London Road School was taken by CFC and GCC prior to their compilation of the SHEP Report in July, 2012.
Clearly the report is biased towards demolition, with no attempt made to explore alternatives.
It is also clear that the SHEP Report is not really a report on the listed building or how to save it, or how to restore it, but entirely pre-supposes demolition.
All in all, the SHEP Report is undoubtedly flawed and utterly biased, to the extent that it should be discredited and erased from records.
I am certain that the very poor quality of the Report did not escape your attention, in that it has been shoddily put together by either McInally, Waterman, GCC, CFC or a combination of all four to ensure demolition. Page 13 (Conclusion) of the McInally section is missing, as is the first five pages of the Waterman section. A third section has been added by ‘others’ posing as an ‘engineering’ report. The matter has been recorded with GCC in a letter dated 16th May, 2014 [Appendix 2].
Surely, Historic Scotland should have recognised the above and discarded the SHEP Report?
Are you aware that a binding contract existed between GCC and CFC giving CFC an ‘Option to Buy’ the school, made in 19thJanuary, 2007 for a three year period, which mysteriously extended toseven years. CFC only purchased the school on 24th December, 2013.The school could therefore not be marketed despite your statement to make ‘considerable effort to find a new user for the school.’
Historic Scotland originally put up three strong arguments in support of retaining the structure, and also appeared to question a structural report submitted by the Applicant, which did not support the case for demolition, as most of the damage occurred via the theft of materials from the roof.
The case for demolition has, by your own admission, not been made, therefore demolition proposals should have been called in. It appears that, were it not for the Commonwealth Games, the decision to demolish taken by GCC would have been called in for review.
That reasoning does not accord with the four national policy tests highlighted above.
The fact that the Scottish Ministers felt that the school should be demolished whilst failing to meet any of the four tests does not make it right. In effect, this important building was demolished as Celtic Park is being used for one day to host the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony; but possibly more importantly, to meet with the development plans of a football club
This matter has been highlighted to the EC Commissioner for State Aid afforded to Celtic plc by Glasgow City Council, and perhaps other public bodies.
Historic Scotland then asked me to contact Ranald MacInnes,at Ranald.macInnes@scotland.gsi.gov.uk. Ranald is Head of Heritage Management West, and Historic Scotland basically said in their own words I do not, however, think there is anything I can add to my letter of 16 June and attachments, which explains our involvement in the case fully. (that was the letter posted in my previous post)
It seemed Historic Scotland had no answers.
Now a letter was sent to Ranald on the 1st of July along with a letter and email to Nicola Sturgeon, and below is that letter,
For the attention of Mr. RanaldMacInnes, Head of Heritage Management West
Dear Sirs,
DEMOLITION OF THE LONDON ROAD SCHOOL, GLASGOW
I have been referred to you by Ms. Barbara Cummins, Director of Heritage Management by way of her latest response to me dated 30th June, 2014, which I have attached in [Appendix 1].
Ms. Cummins has nothing to add to her letter of 16th June, 2014 [Appendix 2]. I highlighted several points in my letter of response, dated 17th June, 2014 [Appendix 3] which are very relevant, and I seek reasonable and truthful answers to several points made therein.
• Why did Historic Scotland appear to suddenly capitulate to Glasgow City Council when they were insistant that the London Road School would be demolished?
• Was pressure exerted by the Scottish Ministers, or was pressure brought to bear by Glasgow City Council and/or Celtic plc?
• Why did Historic Scotland veer from Environment Policy, and introduce a fifth criteria or test for demolition, the Commonwealth Games?
• Was the introduction of a fifth test (proximity to the Commonwealth Games site) legally founded?
• Was there any real attempt made to explore alternative uses for the school?
• Some artists impressions show the School and the CFC temporary ticket office shrouded in banners, flags and the like. Why was that arrangement not fully explored, which would have allowed the Scottish Ministers to call in the case and given them more time to adjudge the fate of the School?
Historic Scotland (Louisa Humm) clearly stated in a letter to Development and Regeneration Services of Glasgow City Council (GCC) on 3rd September, 2012 [Appendix 3] that ‘it is our view that the justification document does not support the demolition of this listed building when set against Scottish Ministers’ policies as set out in the Scottish Historic Environment Policy (SHEP).’
Ms. Cummins confirmed in her letter of 30th June, 2014 that the ‘justification document’ referred to above, was indeed the SHEP Report produced by the Macinally/Waterman team.
The letter to GCC of 3rd September, 2014 made a clear case against demolition. It also correctly states that ‘the justification document does not demonstrate that any other potential users have been sought. It is important that your Council are satisfied that the school has been properly marketed and that all other options have been investigated, including building preservation trusts.’
It is common knowledge that GCC had a legally binding agreement with Celtic Football Club (CFC) that they had the sole option to purchase the property; the option being for three years, then extending to seven years.
I feel that Historic Scotland did not do nearly enough to establish that the building could not possibly be marketed under these strict conditions between the parties, GCC and CFC.
I also feel that Historic Scotland did not pay sufficient attention to the SHEP Report submitted by MacInally Associates on behalf of their Client, CFC. It is patently obvious that the report did not merit serious consideration to any degree. It is obvious that a Waterman structural report section had been merged with a MacInally report. There are/were several pages missingincluding the potentially important MacInally ‘Conclusion’ section. The Waterman geotechnical report was utterly derisory, continually referring to there being coal seams below bedrock, amongst several other glaring anomalies.
With further reference to your letter of 16th June, 2014 I would point out that the SHEP report that was submitted with the application for London Road School was not at all written to justify any of the four tests required, but entirely pre-supposed demolition.
It is noted that Historic Scotland raised several of the same points that I have mentioned in my complaint. It is also stated that Historic Scotland made considerable effort to find a new user for the School. Surely Historic Scotland would have been well aware of the legally binding contract between GCC and CFC with an option to purchase clause at that time, and were fully aware that the property could not possibly be marketed?
The same letter also clearly states ‘Although we found that none of the SHEP tests for demolition had been adequately met………..unlikely to result in the building being retained because of its condition and proximity to the Commonwealth Games site.’A new, fifth test was put in place.
Your letter of 26th June, 2013 E-mailed to the Development and Regeneration Services department of GCC [Appendix 4] clearly states in paragraph three ‘In our view your Council has not adequately demonstrated that these regeneration benefits cannot equally be achieved by retaining and refurbishing this historic school.’
Paragraph four of that same letter is scathing of the manner in which the Council allowed the School to fall into such a deteriorated state through neglect.
Paragraph five commences with ‘Having considered all the details of the case we are not satisfied that the normal tests for demolition, as set out in the Scottish Historic Environmental Policy, have been met.’
However, the next two paragraphs are in total capitulation to either the wishes of the Council/CFC proposals, or to the wishes of the Scottish Ministers
I put it to you that this report should have been discarded, and the matter called in and put to the Scottish Ministers for proper and full re-consideration.
Should satisfactory answers not be given to the points made in this letter, due consideration will be given to taking matters to both the Ombudsman and Nicola Sturgeon, Deputy First Minister.
May I at this point plainly state that neither Ranald or Nicola Sturgeon’s office has replied to these questions, or even acknowledged receipt of the emails, this despite trying to get confirmation by telephone they have received them. Complete and utter silence.
Lastly below is a letter which has been composed for the benefit of Mr Peter Lawwell (CEO Celtic FC)
Now before the letter is shown, please let me point out that both the Waterman group and Mcinally, have told ‘us’ to contact their client, who in this case is ‘Celtic PLC’
For the attention of Mr. Peter Lawell
Chief Executive Officer
Celtic plc
20th July, 2014
Dear Sirs,
LONDON ROAD SCHOOL – PURCHASE & DEMOLITION
THE SHEP REPORT
As you are aware, there exists a distinct possibility that the EU will soon commence a full investigation into the several allegations of State Aid granted by Glasgow City Council, and accepted by Celtic plc.
A Scottish Historic Environmental Policy (SHEP) Report was a requirement of a Planning Application to demolish the London Road Primary School.
This report was found within the documents submitted along with the Planning Application on the GCC Online Planning Website.Link – http://docdroid.net/c9np
It is my considered opinion that this document may have been tampered with and/or amended in such a way as an attempt to ensure demolition of the School. The Report does not appear to have been professionally compiled, and looks to have been compiled using separate reports from MacInally Associates and Waterman, with a further section added in by others for ‘good measure.’
I have posed several questions to the ‘authors’ of the report, McInally Associates, and Waterman, and have e-mailed these to both parties, who refuse to respond in an appropriate manner. Both parties have clearly stated that they would require instruction from their Client to allow them to comment on the questions put to them.
I now put this to you, as their client, Mr. Lawell, to instruct MacInally and Waterman to reply, and/or to investigate within Celtic plc, as to whom within the club put forward said alleged hybrid document as part of the Planning Application for demolition of the School. Both Tom MacInally and Waterman have referred myself and colleagues to your goodself for answers. Both parties appear to wish to have no part in the publication of the SHEP Report.
The Planning Application was submitted by Celtic plc. You, as Chief Executive Officer of the Company have full responsibility and accountability for this document, which was key in the untimely demolition of the School.
Who is responsible for that preposterous report? It can only be Tom MacInally, Waterman or your goodself; and as stated, ultimately your goodself.
The citizens of Glasgow and way beyond eagerly await your reply.
Now again may I point out to concerned bears, we can contact either Ranald at Ranald.macInnes@scotland.gsi.gov.uk. or Nicola Sturgeon,at dfm@scotland.gsi.gov.uk to demand answers to the destruction of a ‘B’ listed building.
P.S. letter to Lawwell only sent tonight to him, so await his answer

Its not the SFA I will be supporting it will be the players past and present that represent my club and country, nobody needs tell me how badly we were treated by the SFA but I wont have these fuckers telling me who i will and wont be supporting, I am Scottish and proud of it, I am also delighted to be part of Brittain.
When they corrupt bastards are well gone, me and my generations to come will still be supporting Scotland, I also want any Scottish Rangers Internationals to know that there is people in the crowd backing them, just the way I am. Ranger, Scottish, Brittish and proud of it

It's 'Whisky', Braveheart.

Its not the SFA I will be supporting it will be the players past and present that represent my club and country, nobody needs tell me how badly we were treated by the SFA but I wont have these fuckers telling me who i will and wont be supporting, I am Scottish and proud of it, I am also delighted to be part of Brittain.
When they corrupt bastards are well gone, me and my generations to come will still be supporting Scotland, I also want any Scottish Rangers Internationals to know that there is people in the crowd backing them, just the way I am. Ranger, Scottish, Brittish and proud of it

Its not the SFA I will be supporting it will be the players past and present that represent my club and country, nobody needs tell me how badly we were treated by the SFA but I wont have these fuckers telling me who i will and wont be supporting, I am Scottish and proud of it, I am also delighted to be part of Brittain.
When they corrupt bastards are well gone, me and my generations to come will still be supporting Scotland, I also want any Scottish Rangers Internationals to know that there is people in the crowd backing them, just the way I am. Ranger, Scottish, Brittish and proud of it

PZJ will be holding a meeting with UKIP Chairwoman Caroline Santos in the near future, she seems keen enough to bring these bastards to justice and challenge every single thing that's happened, she's willing to do what no party has bothered their arse to do.

one year with an option of another, when we are promoted surely ?

you're right but only because FOI's are being denied or FTH woulda had all the info they need by now.You would think that GCC would be dying to put this to bed by now if they had nothing to hide but their continual refusal to release info only adds flames to the fire.

It also led to this

MisterC - "Please let something come of this!"
Keep the faith bud, this is one that will take time, these people aren't just going to roll over, and put their hand up. They'll fight it at every turn and will go down screaming that they were the ones who were cheated. As I say this will take time, but they will be brought to justice. The one thing we actually have going for us is how big this scam really is.
When things get that big mistakes are made, and these are the sort of mistakes being exposed by folk like PZJ, it might even go down to the unearthing of one or two documents that have been over looked and tie everything else together. So settle in for the long haul and keep the faith, this isn't going to go away.