King Jela 20,706 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 but this is my whole point...we currently have healy, 32 who will be gone at end of seasonarguably, with Holt at 30, he is on the decline as well...so this would mean that come this time next year, we will again be scouring the globe for a striker or twoNot only this, but i dont see, in our current climate, that the EPL offers good value for money, besides the fact that Norwich are flying high and there is no way they will let their 2nd highest scorer leave, given they are in a much more stable financial climate and have no reason to sell.I'll tell you, his goal-scoring record this season aint' to shabby for someone who's on decline, just off 1 in 2. But aye, I'm sure scoring goals means fuck all if you're 30. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 People need to realise that you can't make every signing a youngster with potential.Holt would be a snip at £2 Million - especially if his goals won us the league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGers 425 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'll tell you, his goal-scoring record this season aint' to shabby for someone who's on decline, just off 1 in 2. But aye, I'm sure scoring goals means fuck all if you're 30.dont be a cunt.He is a 30 year old footballer who has spent a decade floating in the lower leagues, mostly league oneGranted, he has 8 goals this year, but be senisble, the older you get, the slower you get, and the less effective you get...just ask james beattie who we signed for for 1.5millBack to my point, there are much more cost effective deals out there that will hopefully (as nothing is guaranteed) provide dividends both on the pitch, but eventually off it.Our club needs to start looking bigger picture rather than short term fixes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,706 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 dont be a cunt.He is a 30 year old footballer who has spent a decade floating in the lower leagues, mostly league oneGranted, he has 8 goals this year, but be senisble, the older you get, the slower you get, and the less effective you get...just ask james beattie who we signed for for 1.5millBack to my point, there are much more cost effective deals out there that will hopefully (as nothing is guaranteed) provide dividends both on the pitch, but eventually off it.Our club needs to start looking bigger picture rather than short term fixesNot being a cunt at all. Grant Holt is clearly someone who'll be able to play for a few years yet, and with him being a target man in Scotland he'll more than likely last a lot longer than that. At £2 million he's a steal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGers 425 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 People need to realise that you can't make every signing a youngster with potential.Holt would be a snip at £2 Million - especially if his goals won us the league.it doesnt have to be a youngster...at 23 - 27, players may have four or five seasons under their beltlook at jela, look at salihi, both younger options, just about to hit their peak, with potential sell on, fantastic internation experience and good goal scoring record Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whytes3 254 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Would rather see us put our money towards a proven scorer rather than a journeyman who is having the odd good season just now Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGers 425 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not being a cunt at all. Grant Holt is clearly someone who'll be able to play for a few years yet, and with him being a target man in Scotland he'll more than likely last a lot longer than that. At £2 million he's a steal.ok fair play..but do we honestly believe, a newly promoted team, sitting 9th, after receiving 40mill for getting into the prem, would sell their 2nd highest scorer, captain and fans favourite for 2mill? highly unlikely Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Is it only me who doesn't know anything about the guy? Oh but I likes the signin's, so woohoooooooooooooooo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCS 649 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Whilst I agree that Grant Holt is a good player (not an exceptional one), I do not believe that we should be attempting to sign a 30 year old.We should be seeking to bring in as many good young players as possible to build for the future and, of course, to realise a profit should they move on at a later date. That will not happen if we sign Holt and others like him.If we do sign him I will not be unhappy, but it will not be the right (or the wise) move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clashcitystalker 27 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Whilst I agree that Grant Holt is a good player (not an exceptional one), I do not believe that we should be attempting to sign a 30 year old.We should be seeking to bring in as many good young players as possible to build for the future and, of course, to realise a profit should they move on at a later date. That will not happen if we sign Holt and others like him.If we do sign him I will not be unhappy, but it will not be the right (or the wise) move.Sometimes players signed for potential struggle or fail altogether to live up to it (see Edu, Lafferty, who we'd probably not make a profit on). Occasionally can we not just sign a player because they will improve the team? If we sign a 30 year old for £2million and he's top scorer for 2-3 years and helps us win championships then I think thats money well spent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Sometimes players signed for potential struggle or fail altogether to live up to it (see Edu, Lafferty, who we'd probably not make a profit on). Occasionally can we not just sign a player because they will improve the team? If we sign a 30 year old for £2million and he's top scorer for 2-3 years and helps us win championships then I think thats money well spent.Agreed, a balance is what is required in order for younger players to flourish and reach their potential. However, i think people are seeing it from the perspective that if an older player fails he will likely sit on his contract and collect his wage and he will no doubt be on higher wages and have cost more money to bring to the club. Also there will no doubt be less teams interested in taking him off our hands.A younger player whom fails will be on a lower wage, will no doubt have cost less to initially bring to the club, and will not be happy just to sit back and collect a wage - he will be wanting to progress his career and move on if he sees him staying as a waste of time. Again, it will be more likely for other teams to want to take the player off our books, or at least take him on loan. A loan deal might actually work out, increase his value and perhaps even reignite his rangers career or increase his value at least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossS1873 1,816 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Starting against Chelsea today on Sky Sports 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Just realised how consistently good his goalscoring record has been over the last few years.28 goals in 51 games in League 2 (08/09)30 goals in 44 games in League 1 (09/10)23 goals in 48 games in The Championship (10/11)8 goals in 20 games in the Premiership (11/12)That's an impressive strike rate being kept up by a player moving through the divisions so quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Starting today. Simply don't see him being interested in a move to us. I do like him though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLACHLAN1 49 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't see Norwich letting him go or needing to.Ally better have someone lined up before he lets Jela go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't see Norwich letting him go or needing to.Ally better have someone lined up before he lets Jela go.I think the fact we're clearly looking at 5 or 6 strikers suggests we probably do . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo. 952 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Why would Norwich even consider letting him go for the kind of money we could offer?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 To be honest, he doesn't even start most games at Norwich anymore, so they'd probably let him go if he wanted to leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulRFC1 115 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 People I can't comment on rangers speculation stop asking me please.Thats what he said on twitter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamMunny 3,308 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'd love some pace up front.Holt's a great target man, decent on the ground and a lovely finisher, but he's slow.Holt with pace beside him would be great. We do need 2 strikers if Jelavic leaves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 People I can't comment on rangers speculation stop asking me please.Thats what he said on twitter.Well he hasn't come out and said no then, so there must be something in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLACHLAN1 49 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'd imagine with the regard that holt is held by Norwich if he asked to be allowed to move Lambert would probably agree to selling at the right price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'd imagine with the regard that holt is held by Norwich if he asked to be allowed to move Lambert would probably agree to selling at the right price.Even still there would be a host of clubs after him and i highly doubt we could meet the price they would be likely to ask for him, strange story this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clashcitystalker 27 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Agreed, a balance is what is required in order for younger players to flourish and reach their potential. However, i think people are seeing it from the perspective that if an older player fails he will likely sit on his contract and collect his wage and he will no doubt be on higher wages and have cost more money to bring to the club. Also there will no doubt be less teams interested in taking him off our hands.A younger player whom fails will be on a lower wage, will no doubt have cost less to initially bring to the club, and will not be happy just to sit back and collect a wage - he will be wanting to progress his career and move on if he sees him staying as a waste of time. Again, it will be more likely for other teams to want to take the player off our books, or at least take him on loan. A loan deal might actually work out, increase his value and perhaps even reignite his rangers career or increase his value at least.All good points. We have been burnt by has-beens like Beattie before but I see Holt as a player in his prime with hunger who might want to come here and win a few medals which he won't get at Norwich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,629 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Even still there would be a host of clubs after him and i highly doubt we could meet the price they would be likely to ask for him, strange story this.He's pretty far in his contract, can't see them asking more than £2-3 Million.I also don't see any other side interested able to offer him trophies and Champions League football, and at his stage of his career - winning things should be the priority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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