Adoniram 1,919 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 did you see boss's post 150 million of debt potentially and your criticising them for not paying it off. get a grip.I haven't seen it but where does this figure of £150m come from. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 let's say a consortium of p Murray, d park, j mcoll or whoever is really interested. it would be a strange person that wanted Mr whyte in charge over them. especially if the reason is they weren't daft enough to sort out murrays mess for him or crazy enough to deluberatly fuck us up like Mr whyte. and people wonder why the players aren't motivated when they know they can't win the league no matter what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have a personal dislike of paul murray, he is untrustworthy in the respect he leaks information to the press and is a self serving idiot.I would still prefer him to our current owner the way things stand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 let's say a consortium of p Murray, d park, j mcoll or whoever is really interested. it would be a strange person that wanted Mr whyte in charge over them. especially if the reason is they weren't daft enough to sort out murrays mess for him or crazy enough to deluberatly fuck us up like Mr whyte. and people wonder why the players aren't motivated when they know they can't win the league no matter what.You only have to look back at Dundee when a couple of seasons ago, their players went on a fantastic unbeaten run after this happened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I haven't seen it but where does this figure of £150m come from.3 tax bills potentially. 75 million, 5 million and 9 million. 33 million owed to whyte. 22 million to ticketus. millions owed in debentures, season books, catering and jjb contract breaches. what else hasn't whyte paid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have a personal dislike of paul murray, he is untrustworthy in the respect he leaks information to the press and is a self serving idiot.I would still prefer him to our current owner the way things stand.now that's sensible. in his defence he's leaked important information on our plight and not to trinkets make as was long alleged. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 You only have to look back at Dundee when a couple of seasons ago, their players went on a fantastic unbeaten run after this happened.after they went bust and to avoid delegation. we will see what ours do now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I wouldnt want P Murray and any of the previous board for that matter taking any part in future of our club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 after they went bust and to avoid delegation. we will see what ours do now.That is the managers job, to gee the players up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 That is the managers job, to gee the players up.so you think this being a certainty shouldn't have affected them? can't say I see it that way if so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I wouldnt want P Murray and any of the previous board for that matter taking any part in future of our club.why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,074 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 why?The people who caused this mess? Are you serious?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 so you think this being a certainty shouldn't have affected them? can't say I see it that way if so.Players keep saying they play for the love of the game. As it stands they are still under contract and near 50,000 people we be at the game on Saturday to cheer them on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The people who caused this mess? Are you serious?!well in p murrays case the ebt had been in place for 8 to 9 years before he joined the board and stopped soon after. I assume you don't want whyte either as he's really got us in a mess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Players keep saying they play for the love of the game. As it stands they are still under contract and near 50,000 people we be at the game on Saturday to cheer them on.I expect a good reaction on Saturday from fans and players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 why?Just the way these 2 have handled themselves in the press. Why did it take them till the last minute to get a bid together the last time, if they were really wanting the club they would of got this done ages ago, months before Whyte came along. All they could muster up last time was £25m which they were going to use for cashflow and not even pay off the bank, what is the difference this time?At this moment in time i wish we were still in the banks hands, they were cutting costs and our debt was going down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 305 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 3 tax bills potentially. 75 million, 5 million and 9 million. 33 million owed to whyte. 22 million to ticketus. millions owed in debentures, season books, catering and jjb contract breaches. what else hasn't whyte paid?These figures may well be correct...but the question that must also be asked by the Administrator;If Whyte is owed £33m, then he must have invested more than the simply paying off Lloyd's £18m. Can this be documented?Where is the £9m VAT/PAYE that has been collected but not paid?Where is the £22m Ticketus money?If Whyte has 'removed' the £9m VAT & £22m Ticketus from Rangers then either this was done illegally or he has already collected money from Rangers and then surely we are not in debt to him.Always difficult to try and simplify these situations. But I remain unconvinced as to how Rangers (quoted to run at £45m cost with £35m income) with a £10m shortfall...having made profit on transfers and borrowed £22m can genuinely have run out of money to pay £9m VAT? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Just the way these 2 have handled themselves in the press. Why did it take them till the last minute to get a bid together the last time, if they were really wanting the club they would of got this done ages ago, months before Whyte came along. All they could muster up last time was £25m which they were going to use for cashflow and not even pay off the bank, what is the difference this time?At this moment in time i wish we were still in the banks hands, they were cutting costs and our debt was going down.the club was un buyable unless you wanted to.liquidate it. as for the press stuff. thank god they did or what would whyte have been able to hide from us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 These figures may well be correct...but the question that must also be asked by the Administrator;If Whyte is owed £33m, then he must have invested more than the simply paying off Lloyd's £18m. Can this be documented?Where is the £9m VAT/PAYE that has been collected but not paid?Where is the £22m Ticketus money?If Whyte has 'removed' the £9m VAT & £22m Ticketus from Rangers then either this was done illegally or he has already collected money from Rangers and then surely we are not in debt to him.Always difficult to try and simplify these situations. But I remain unconvinced as to how Rangers (quoted to run at £45m cost with £35m income) with a £10m shortfall...having made profit on transfers and borrowed £22m can genuinely have run out of money to pay £9m VAT?I agree with all of that. he's hidden cash. why I can't say. perhaps he will reinvest it. perhaps he will use it to buy us back. who knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Murray was on the board but sat on his hands when he was in surely one of the best positions to come in with an acceptable offer, Why did he not.These posters dont argue my points just hide behind the neg rep function well doe lads hope you proud. Addition date Reputation post PointMrT Today, 10:37 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487) -1ogbg Today, 09:44 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487) -1rabbie1980 Today, 08:30 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover?ClintonGrey Today, 11:55 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487) (PID: 1059773487)-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef 436 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Suspicious of him also, where were these guys before, did they plan us to be where we are also in order for a good deal for themselves first Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Paul Murray will never own Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERST1LLADIE 33 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 It's on sky sports now that Paul Murray may save us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It's on sky sports now that Paul Murray may save usJust may, do we not sense this guys looking to be on Tv and various other Media. why now when he was on the old board who got us in this shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 These posters dont argue my points just hide behind the neg rep function well doe lads hope you proud.Addition date Reputation post PointMrT Today, 10:37 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487) -1ogbg Today, 09:44 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487) -1rabbie1980 Today, 08:30 AM Paul Murray consortium takeover? (PID: 1059773487)-1no wonder your point was blown out the water over the last 2 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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