Vanguard Bears statement

[damien1 29]

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Written by Steadfast

Friday, 09 March 2012 12:50

VanguardBears today issues the following statement.

VanguardBears acknowledge that we were probably the last Rangers group to refuse to completely condemn Craig Whyte. A campaign of vilification, almost from the start of his tenure, from the press, the ex board and, sadly, other Rangers groups towards Mr Whyte was later accompanied by an attempt to smear the good name of VanguardBears by individuals with an agenda and ulterior motives simply because we maintained our stance of "innocent until proven guilty." Then, and now, we refused to join the bandwagon of hysteria and supposition.

Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be. No one, not even those screaming from the rooftops, knows if he ever will be. What is clear is that his position as Chairman certainly now looks untenable.

HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued.

As recently as yesterday, conflicting stories about the state of the Club, our finances, and our future circulated and contradicted each last report. Sir David Murray, whose policies created the mess we are in, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Murray, Mr. Bain, Mr. King et al make or have made statements or decisions which are counter productive and detrimental. Sir David, who until very recently remained silent despite being the originator of our problems, especially should use his private wealth to help if he has an ounce of decency.

Influential fans cried "unity" but their interests were self seeking.

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

The written press and other media outlets have relished their work of recent weeks, of that there is no doubt. There has been a concerted campaign, led by certain individuals, to "do down" the club at every turn.

Other clubs have lowered themselves beneath dignity with their comments and demands of excessive and precedent breaking penalties. We have, though, come to expect that sort of behaviour from Rangers haters such as Celtic and Dundee United. We urge Rangers fans to consider whether our money should fill the coffers of clubs who need our away support but treat us like dirt.

Let us also mention the SFA. The conduct of Messrs. Regan, Doncaster and Liewell (in his neutral guise) has been over critical and less than supportive of a senior member club throughout. Livingston, Gretna and Dundee got support, advice and, in one case, finance to pay players from the SPL and SFL.

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value.

VanguardBears is sick to the back teeth of spin, counter spin, lies, innuendo, posturing to the fans and basically just taking every Rangers fan for a mug.

For the sake of the Rangers fans, men, women and kids, we demand this circus stop, decisions, however painful, be made and the Club be allowed to regroup, reshape and retake its rightful place in Scottish football.

Admin.

Last Updated on Friday, 09 March 2012 17:01

[A.T.G 10,773]

Deary me

[GOAT 30,449]

[Bad Robot 21,512]

Good statement

[MosesMcNeil 1,664]

Rightly or wrongly, there has been a lot of mud-slinging over the previous weeks almost certainly as a result of the raw emotions laid bare in our time of turmoil.

Nevertheless, I acknowledge that VB always aim to work for the greater good of The Rangers and for that I'm grateful.

Keep on guys - despite the slings and arrows. We need all the friends we can muster at this time.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

A fairly bitter sounding press release and hardly a rallying call to get behind!

[RFC55 110,289]

Ffs

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

the RM fanboys wont like this

[damien1 29]

A fairly bitter sounding press release and hardly a rallying call to get behind!

Self-indulgent cunts like you get behind no-one anyway. You're only here to antagonise.

[GOAT 30,449]

Self-indulgent cunts like you get behind no-one anyway. You're only here to antagonise.

He's not lying though is he?

[delamonty 992]

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

How so? The admin said yesterday they don;t get paid until this is finished (and only if the creditors agree to the sum). They have NOT taken 1 penny out of the club.

Too long? Had to chase down millions in foreign banks.. Deal with HMRC, deal with the players, avoid liquidation.

edit: 3 weeks (to do all) that is too long? Get a grip.

[RFC55 110,289]

Everyone is lying except Whyte

[scottyc06 6,927]

Meh

[Smile 26,622]

They are right a lot of posters seemed to be in their Element when they thought we were going bust it was quite surreal on here at times.

[damien1 29]

He's not lying though is he?

The statement isn't a rallying call though. It just sets out VB's position. If people don't like that fair enough.

[ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895]

"Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be".

I don't know why he's not been. The cunt used other peoples money to buy the club.

And these people seem to still be backing him.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

Poppycock.

Statements like that remind me of the Chinese Communist Party.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

The statement isn't a rallying call though. It just sets out VB's position. If people don't like that fair enough.

I don't like it.

[krissg910 110]

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VanguardBears statement PDF Print E-mail

Written by Steadfast

Friday, 09 March 2012 12:50

VanguardBears today issues the following statement.

VanguardBears acknowledge that we were probably the last Rangers group to refuse to completely condemn Craig Whyte. A campaign of vilification, almost from the start of his tenure, from the press, the ex board and, sadly, other Rangers groups towards Mr Whyte was later accompanied by an attempt to smear the good name of VanguardBears by individuals with an agenda and ulterior motives simply because we maintained our stance of "innocent until proven guilty." Then, and now, we refused to join the bandwagon of hysteria and supposition.

Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be. No one, not even those screaming from the rooftops, knows if he ever will be. What is clear is that his position as Chairman certainly now looks untenable.

HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued.

As recently as yesterday, conflicting stories about the state of the Club, our finances, and our future circulated and contradicted each last report. Sir David Murray, whose policies created the mess we are in, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Murray, Mr. Bain, Mr. King et al make or have made statements or decisions which are counter productive and detrimental. Sir David, who until very recently remained silent despite being the originator of our problems, especially should use his private wealth to help if he has an ounce of decency.

Influential fans cried "unity" but their interests were self seeking.

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

The written press and other media outlets have relished their work of recent weeks, of that there is no doubt. There has been a concerted campaign, led by certain individuals, to "do down" the club at every turn.

Other clubs have lowered themselves beneath dignity with their comments and demands of excessive and precedent breaking penalties. We have, though, come to expect that sort of behaviour from Rangers haters such as Celtic and Dundee United. We urge Rangers fans to consider whether our money should fill the coffers of clubs who need our away support but treat us like dirt.

Let us also mention the SFA. The conduct of Messrs. Regan, Doncaster and Liewell (in his neutral guise) has been over critical and less than supportive of a senior member club throughout. Livingston, Gretna and Dundee got support, advice and, in one case, finance to pay players from the SPL and SFL.

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value.

VanguardBears is sick to the back teeth of spin, counter spin, lies, innuendo, posturing to the fans and basically just taking every Rangers fan for a mug.

For the sake of the Rangers fans, men, women and kids, we demand this circus stop, decisions, however painful, be made and the Club be allowed to regroup, reshape and retake its rightful place in Scottish football.

Admin.

Last Updated on Friday, 09 March 2012 17:01

i always usally agree with vb but that is a very poor statement and position to take, just admit they were wrong about whyte. most fans have.

i also strongly disagree with the part about admin doing a bad job and running up expenses.

administrators are paid from the creditors pot, the pot will be whatever its going to be no matter what the admins fees are.

[WVB 2,560]

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

This is the only bit I would disagree with.

[ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895]

How so? The admin said yesterday they don;t get paid until this is finished (and only if the creditors agree to the sum). They have NOT taken 1 penny out of the club.

Too long? Had to chase down millions in foreign banks.. Deal with HMRC, deal with the players, avoid liquidation.

edit: 3 weeks (to do all) that is too long? Get a grip.

3 weeks is not along time especially the size of Rangers and what they have had to deal with.

[Spacecowboy 92]

I don't like it.

fair enough

[damien1 29]

fair enough

[SkylineBlue 24,486]

I can't say I agree with any of that. Other than some clubs have enjoyed sticking the boot in and we need the position we're in to end.

[TheLawMan 6,240]

HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued.

Can someone please clarify who said previous offers were made and rejected ?

Thanks