ZZed 4,510 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 They can't force you to go and follow Rangers at Ibrox or away. It is your choice how you spend your money and the SFA can't come to your house and tell you to go to Dundee. Mr Green has made his statement based on security and safety, the SFA will not state, "never mind safety the Rangers surport have to go and give Dundee Hibs the money". The law would step in and so would UEFA. Our obligation is to play the match on the set date, not to provide supporters in a fixed number or as a percentage. Dundee Hibs and Rangers are obliged by law to consider the health and safety of those who come to the match, Mr Green is meeting that obligation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,697 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 So how is this percentage worked out?Probably along the lines of the stands capacity with the normal away attendance of the support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 305 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Bottom line is if they change the rules and don't give us the cash,CG will hopefully go after them in court and sue the scum to the ends of the earth.Also,surely UEFA and FIFA can then investigate the Sinn Fein Apologists to see if they are fit for purpose.The good will overcome evil.Would be short-sighted in the extreme to change that rule as surely it goes in our favour in the future when we get a home draw and don't have to share ticket income? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,707 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 He only advised the fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 He only advised the fans.And on the perfectly reasonable and irrefutable grounds of safety. What with all the rumours of rival supporters all turning up to protest outside the stadium, it would have been negligent of CG to do otherwise.But it's the SFA we're talking about here, not reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,707 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 And on the perfectly reasonable and irrefutable grounds of safety. What with all the rumours of rival supporters all turning up to protest outside the stadium, it would have been negligent of CG to do otherwise.But it's the SFA we're talking about here, not reason.Hope our lawyers will be ready to pounce if they try their rubbish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose48 956 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I fully support this stance by Rangers fans and CG even although I'm not in a position to attend anyway.Regardless of what rule the SFA changes it would be difficult to be labelled bigotry. Instead unmitigated bastardry may be a more fitting label.Rangers fans have already shown how far we are prepared to go in defence of our club. I would hope they are not stupid enough to provoke further retaliation from us by invoking some petty interpretation of the rules. WATP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Another change of rules coming up ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelrug 268 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The issue of refusing tickets for "visiting" fans is not a new one. European ties against Leeds and Man Utd are recent examples when the club refused the allocation for our supporters. Slightly different circumstances, which had the agreement of both clubs and UEFA, however the precedent can not be ignored as fans safety was the reasoning was used then as it is now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Probably along the lines of the stands capacity with the normal away attendance of the support.With all due respect I think you are talking keech Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionRedHMS 190 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 And on the perfectly reasonable and irrefutable grounds of safety. What with all the rumours of rival supporters all turning up to protest outside the stadium, it would have been negligent of CG to do otherwise.But it's the SFA we're talking about here, not reason.Any sensible person can see that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Lets accept the the tickets. Open the ticket office on 25th December Between 9am and 10pm and limit the allocation to 1 per person Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,697 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 With all due respect I think you are talking keechThat is fine and I might be wrong fair enough if I am but I could also be correct though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZed 4,510 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 A horrific consequence of our actions has just occurred to me! Dundee Hibs may boycott us! How will we survive without their vast hordes of supporters coming to Ibrox but if the have to produce 12% then we may just survive on 4 and ½ of them turning up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I presume this SFA meeting will also be looking at the boycott scandal that has hit the SPL all season long? These clubs and their fans have been getting away with not filling stadiums for too long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 A horrific consequence of our actions has just occurred to me! Dundee Hibs may boycott us! How will we survive without their vast hordes of supporters coming to Ibrox but if the have to produce 12% then we may just survive on 4 and ½ of them turning up.Yes the poor minibus company will be hard hit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,865 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 That is fine and I might be wrong fair enough if I am but I could also be correct though.I couldn't find the SFA Scottish Cup rules online. I think I recall seeing a recent article which stated that clubs were entitled to 12% of the tickets as a minimum but it didn't say any club HAD to take that number or any tickets at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 We would need to pay for any allocation we take, even if we don't sell them.So if we don't sell them we lose out?......If Dundee Hibs were coming to Ibrox and wanted say 5000 tickets and they sold only 2000 they would be charged for the other 3000?Cant see that happening, clubs would not risk losing the money. If it is the case just ask for a dozen and don't sell them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Wish I could just burst into the meeting with a big fuck off drum and a sidekick playing the flute.You can....there is nothing in the Rules to say you can't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Lets accept the the tickets. Open the ticket office on 25th December Between 9am and 10pm and limit the allocation to 1 per personOr even better say I never bought one because I asked Santa for one and he never gave me one because he said I was a bad boy/girl because I support Rangers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 So if we don't sell them we lose out?......If Dundee Hibs were coming to Ibrox and wanted say 5000 tickets and they sold only 2000 they would be charged for the other 3000?Cant see that happening, clubs would not risk losing the money. If it is the case just ask for a dozen and don't sell them!It is in the Rules of the SC. If a visiting club returns tickets, they have to pay for them. If the home club then manage to sell them, the visiting club get some money back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,697 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I couldn't find the SFA Scottish Cup rules online. I think I recall seeing a recent article which stated that clubs were entitled to 12% of the tickets as a minimum but it didn't say any club HAD to take that number or any tickets at all.Seems like I'm wrong then glad to be corrected thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncin' bear 617 28 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 So if we don't sell them we lose out?......If Dundee Hibs were coming to Ibrox and wanted say 5000 tickets and they sold only 2000 they would be charged for the other 3000?Cant see that happening, clubs would not risk losing the money. If it is the case just ask for a dozen and don't sell them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,311 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 We would need to pay for any allocation we take, even if we don't sell them.Wasn't it you who posted the rules yesterday which state unsold tickets are returned to the home club 24 hours before kick off?Sorry if out of context haven't been keeping up with the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevotrueblue 382 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Just a thought ,, but what is the rule regarding having to play the fixture if they decide to change/make up new rules to try and punish us again? This game is being shown live on SKY SPORTS,, I'm assuming there will be a rule that says we have to play it,, is there?? Just curious,, would be a proper 2 finger salute and do we really give a shit about the SFA's show piece Cup.On another note I read somewhere that as far as policing goes,, there is a minimum of 250 and if we where to accept that then the home club would have to then pay for FULL policing for the match,,,if thats true that would cost them even more than those tickets worth,,, so if the SFA where to say take no tickets , gers get no money,, maybe we should take the 250 and screw em for full policing and get our cut?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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