TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Yeah but he was Everton manager then Scotland, so he couldn't buy anyone for us......and don't forget how much Watty spent when he came back and the £4.5 m on Jelavic alone in his last season.Remember where we were when he came back, fresh from the PLG debacle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballmadonna 3 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 some difficult reading in here, my god some people really do have issue with ally, seems personal to some when no matter what ally is the fall guy in everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 It's nice sentiment but never in a million years would any of that have even a chance of coming to fruition. Serious money would have to be thrown at it and patience would be required from fans who are desperate to get back to where we belong sooner rather than later.Yes it would require patience but if fans saw progress, and saw the purpose of what we were trying to achieve they would in the main buy into it!The concepts given on transfer policy and player requirements are both sound and achievable! The lack of a long term vision and this defeatist attitude has held us back for years! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Remember where we were when he came back, fresh from the PLG debacle.Walter has always been a buying manager pure and simply. That's not the pint re PLG I happen to think he was getting it right in Europe and if he had won the battle with certain players our team would have been really good.............the point is you said Watty went without buying players when he came back and that's not so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosebrad 452 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 If indeed its a true document I am disappointed that we will not say any of this happening now Green has gone. I pretty much what I wanted for Rangers, as for winning a Euro trophy any thing is possible but at least we would have had a dream to work towards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted May 3, 2013 Author Share Posted May 3, 2013 It's nice sentiment but never in a million years would any of that have even a chance of coming to fruition. Serious money would have to be thrown at it and patience would be required from fans who are desperate to get back to where we belong sooner rather than later.We've got at least two years until we get back to the top (as things stand) which would give us time. I think with that plan, the fans may have been more patient than under PLG, but we'll never know. Money might have been thrown at it, but only in areas that already desperately need it - youth and senior coaching, scouting and youth policy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 981 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Remember where we were when he came back, fresh from the PLG debacle.If PLG was a debacle what do you call this shit we are getting now under McCoist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted May 3, 2013 Author Share Posted May 3, 2013 some difficult reading in here, my god some people really do have issue with ally, seems personal to some when no matter what ally is the fall guy in everything.Ally is the fall guy for the dross we've seen on the pitch this season, why should he be different to any other manager in that respect? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Yes it would require patience but if fans saw progress, and saw the purpose of what we were trying to achieve they would in the main buy into it!The concepts given on transfer policy and player requirements are both sound and achievable! The lack of a long term vision and this defeatist attitude has held us back for years!What are you basing that on exactly? The last time we tried to implement big sweeping changes on and off the pitch it lasted 6 months because results on the park suffered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 What are you basing that on exactly? The last time we tried to implement big sweeping changes on and off the pitch it lasted 6 months because results on the park suffered.Yes, at the top level they suffered and because of the old firm pressure that was unacceptable but we have at least 2 years to implement these philosophies in a league where we will win the title and can afford to make mistakes and try things!All of that is covered in the mission statement! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 When the fuck is this constant leak going to end. I'm raging that this has made its way into the public domain.The mole has to be hounded out now.Some good points in the document howerver...Are you happy with the leaks to Leggo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Walter went a few seasons without buying anyone, and still provided success. How can you say he has 'no clue'?Walter still spent a fortune in his time at the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Remember where we were when he came back, fresh from the PLG debacle.Because PLG never got the money Watty got and Watty would not have come back to the Club without getting all that cash he spent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,670 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I can't justify renewing for those performances next season. I'll pick and choose games in the coming season.And rightly so. It's all well and noble seeing people come out with "the attraction of Rangers should be enough, we're lucky to have a club" etc but fans are paying their hard earned money and not even getting a hard earned performance on the park from players who clearly don't give a shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,670 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 DP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The plan outline looks reasonable in the most part with some lofty goals. Would need to be properly detailed out and that would take some serious work, however that could easily have been sorted out with work starting immediately. The board will have to put some strategy together sooner rather than later, you can't just stumble your way to success. I wouldn't mind if they went old school and looked back over what attitude Struth expected of the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 We've got at least two years until we get back to the top (as things stand) which would give us time. I think with that plan, the fans may have been more patient than under PLG, but we'll never know. Money might have been thrown at it, but only in areas that already desperately need it - youth and senior coaching, scouting and youth policy.The timing of this is interesting - it reads to me that it was carefully tailored with leaking in mind. Regardless, it's infantile and shallow thinking up there with super casino's and moonbeams.Some people need to accept the reality of our situation and stop all this day dreaming nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,698 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 God help us if we don't try and change things and take some of the ideas green had in mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballmadonna 3 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Ally is the fall guy for the dross we've seen on the pitch this season, why should he be different to any other manager in that respect?all i can go with is threads in here today since iv come on and i have to say i see too many posts sticking the knife into ally or people telling others what the future would be like under ally and its not all that great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradfield 35 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I'd like to see us progress with some elements of the document, and I think we will. Other than that, it's a hilarious piece of knocked-together propaganda that's pressed the exact buttons it was supposed to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Walter still spent a fortune in his time at the club.He went a few seasons without buying anyone during his 2nd spell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted May 3, 2013 Author Share Posted May 3, 2013 And rightly so.It's all well and noble seeing people come out with "the attraction of Rangers should be enough, we're lucky to have a club" etc but fans are paying their hard earned money and not even getting a hard earned performance on the park from players who clearly don't give a shit.If we'd have been brilliant this season, I'd have made a way to fund a ST and still keep my finances workable, but it's a no-brainer after the 20 or so games I've been to this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,670 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Some people need to accept the reality of our situation and stop all this day dreaming nonsense.Worrying attitude. So fuck trying to change for the better and leave the idea of a healthier football club to support as a pipe dream ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwallowsHisOwnSpunk 7,912 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 He went a few seasons without buying anyone during his 2nd spell.yeah but the season before that he spent £20 Million ffs, and the season before that £8 Million the reason he didn't have anything to spend was because he spent it all. People like you are the reason Scottish football is a little backwater inbred swamp so small minded and unable to think outside the box. If Swansea can follow this model why can't Rangers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted May 3, 2013 Author Share Posted May 3, 2013 The timing of this is interesting - it reads to me that it was carefully tailored with leaking in mind. Regardless, it's infantile and shallow thinking up there with super casino's and moonbeams.Some people need to accept the reality of our situation and stop all this day dreaming nonsense.The timing is rotten, but in what way is it infantile or shallow? Are those all things that you don't want at Rangers? They're not impossible (not even the Euro success by 2020, but that's nigh on impossible), given the right money, backing and implementation. How did Dortmund do it from being a kick in the arse off bankruptcy not that long ago? Feyenoord etc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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