WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hi there fellow Bears!I've been on this site for years but don't post much these days.Reason for my post today is I would love to show off but also hopefully find out some more information about this Rangers History.I have a framed Rangers Football Club Share Certificate from 1908.looking to know if they are rare or who the directors may be.Its in really good shape considering its 106 years oldThere is 3 signatures on it.two directors I am not sure who.1 Club Secretary who I believe it to beWilliam WiltonHere are some pictures Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 1,150 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Can't help at all but that's an incredible piece of history Thanks for posting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=205122&st=0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumnockbear 2,446 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,332 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Can't help at all but that's an incredible piece of history Thanks for posting.This.Many thanks for sharing. I love this type of thing. 1908....I wish I had a relic of my club like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://forum.rangers...pic=205122&st=0I forgot I posted that back in 2011 re posted 3 years later hoping new faces or more information maybe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue68 2,497 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I would contact the club. Fantastic piece of memorabilia to have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 I would contact the club. Fantastic piece of memorabilia to have.Great Idea never thought of it. Any suggestion on the route to go about it ? I am in Canada Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
julescotia 11,407 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Can't find anything on the directors .... yet.But here's a wee bit of info on Sir John Ure Primrose, whom the shares belonged to on your certificate.http://www.thegallan...e-Primrose.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue68 2,497 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Great Idea never thought of it. Any suggestion on the route to go about it ? I am in CanadaI would imagine you could ask on the club's facebook or twitter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Can't find anything on the directors .... yet.But here's a wee bit of info on Sir John Ure Primrose, whom the shares belonged to on your certificate.http://www.thegallan...e-Primrose.html wonder if it would be good for a Rangers Museum Cheers mate that is really interesting I had no idea he was apart of the club in some way. its bi far my favorite Rangers Memorabilia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny_01 2,007 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 If your selling at any time contact me !! Love the piece Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny_01 2,007 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Add David Mason or email him on facebook he will get you all the information you need, hes the club historian and a great guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Add David Mason or email him on facebook he will get you all the information you need, hes the club historian and a great guyHi there I could not find him on email and not sure how to add him on here. I would love to learn more about the pieceas for selling it.It very well could be depends on the offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny_01 2,007 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hi there I could not find him on email and not sure how to add him on here.I would love to learn more about the pieceas for selling it.It very well could be depends on the offer.i would pm you later bud.. drop me an email and Ill ask david to email you bud Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHardie 1,405 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There's an excellent Rangers Facebook memorabilia group setup by Jim Hannah. David Mason posts occasionally and I'm sure would be able to give you information on your share.https://www.facebook.com/groups/504429739601826/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 There's an excellent Rangers Facebook memorabilia group setup by Jim Hannah. David Mason posts occasionally and I'm sure would be able to give you information on your share.https://www.facebook...04429739601826/I tried the link it didn't work Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHaw 513 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That really is a fantastic peice of history there mate. Let us know if you are willing to sell it and keep us updated on the info on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHardie 1,405 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I tried the link it didn't workI think you need to be signed up to Facebook and logged in to view it mate. It's also a closed group, so you would need to request to be added to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That's awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's a cracking item of memorabilia that you should be very proud to own.A bit of background if I recall correctly. When Rangers incorporated on 24 July 1899, £12,000 of shares were issued which was needed to fund the move to Ibrox. The shares issued were:600 Proprietary shares of £5 each9,000 Ordinary shares of £1 eachi.e. (600 x £5) + (9,000 x £1) = £12,000As there were only 600 Proprietary shares, these are more rare than the Ordinary shares of which there were 9,000.After incorporation, shares could be bought and sold. When this happened, the share certificate would be returned to the club for cancellation and a new share certificate issued in the new owner's name. This is what seems to have happened here - Sir John Ure Primrose bought 25 Ordinary shares and a new share certificate was issued to him in 1908. The club may well have full records showing all sales/purchases from 1899 and so be able to tell from whom SJUP bought them.Although it is a certificate for the more common Ordinary shares, your certificate is interesting for a few reasons. Firstly it is for 25 shares - I don't think I have seen one before for more than 1 share, so that makes it a little more rare. Also, the certificate was issued to Sir John Ure Primrose who was our President/Chairman which makes it more directly relevant to the history of the club.The share certificate was signed by William Wilton who in 1908 was, of course, our first manager, as well as being the club secretary. I haven't done any research on the former directors of the club although I'm sure David Mason will have the records available. The signatures look like Jas (James) Walker and David Lawton, or something like that, in case it helps to trace them.From memory (and I'm happy to be corrected) before the recession, share certificates were sold, often at fund raising dinners, for £300-£1,000 for Ordinary shares, and £500-£2,000 for Proprietary shares. Your certificate has in its favour that it's for 25 shares and that it's in the name of SJUP. Against, it's an Ordinary share and it's not from 1899. It is of course only worth what someone would pay but if I was buying (which I'm unfortunately not) I would expect to pay at least £1,000.Having said that, in my opinion it really belongs in a Rangers Museum given it's in the name of SJUP. It could hang next to mine - I'm fortunate enough to own one of the original 600 Proprietary shares of £5 from 1899. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 It's a cracking item of memorabilia that you should be very proud to own.A bit of background if I recall correctly. When Rangers incorporated on 24 July 1899, £12,000 of shares were issued which was needed to fund the move to Ibrox. The shares issued were:600 Proprietary shares of £5 each9,000 Ordinary shares of £1 eachi.e. (600 x £5) + (9,000 x £1) = £12,000As there were only 600 Proprietary shares, these are more rare than the Ordinary shares of which there were 9,000.After incorporation, shares could be bought and sold. When this happened, the share certificate would be returned to the club for cancellation and a new share certificate issued in the new owner's name. This is what seems to have happened here - Sir John Ure Primrose bought 25 Ordinary shares and a new share certificate was issued to him in 1908. The club may well have full records showing all sales/purchases from 1899 and so be able to tell from whom SJUP bought them.Although it is a certificate for the more common Ordinary shares, your certificate is interesting for a few reasons. Firstly it is for 25 shares - I don't think I have seen one before for more than 1 share, so that makes it a little more rare. Also, the certificate was issued to Sir John Ure Primrose who was our President/Chairman which makes it more directly relevant to the history of the club.The share certificate was signed by William Wilton who in 1908 was, of course, our first manager, as well as being the club secretary. I haven't done any research on the former directors of the club although I'm sure David Mason will have the records available. The signatures look like Jas (James) Walker and David Lawton, or something like that, in case it helps to trace them.From memory (and I'm happy to be corrected) before the recession, share certificates were sold, often at fund raising dinners, for £300-£1,000 for Ordinary shares, and £500-£2,000 for Proprietary shares. Your certificate has in its favour that it's for 25 shares and that it's in the name of SJUP. Against, it's an Ordinary share and it's not from 1899. It is of course only worth what someone would pay but if I was buying (which I'm unfortunately not) I would expect to pay at least £1,000.Having said that, in my opinion it really belongs in a Rangers Museum given it's in the name of SJUP. It could hang next to mine - I'm fortunate enough to own one of the original 600 Proprietary shares of £5 from 1899. Wow thank you for the information It is very close to my heart I am proud to own such a fine piece of history.I plan on holding onto it or displaying it possibly if its merits a museum display.I appreciate the work everyone did I have emailed David and hopefully he finds some time to look it over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 I was thinking of selling this. Was wondering if any body had any suggestion I know there is auction houses. But just seeing if any one may know some collectors ? of Rangers Memorabilia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I was thinking of selling this. Was wondering if any body had any suggestion I know there is auction houses. But just seeing if any one may know some collectors ? of Rangers Memorabilia. I will swap you 25 of my nice new shiny shares for the 25 of yours on that auld bit of paper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I was thinking of selling this. Was wondering if any body had any suggestion I know there is auction houses. But just seeing if any one may know some collectors ? of Rangers Memorabilia. Maybe worth contacting the club mate. They may have some interest in it. Or the Scottish Football Museum at Hampden. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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