Ally Has Gone

[RFC55 109,092]

Champions League money would have enabled him to make those payments.

He might have run off with the money - no one can prove that.

He might have paid the PAYE/NI - no one can prove that either.

The only certainty was that failure to qualify for Europe, from some piss-easy qualifiers, took away the opportunity for CW to do the right thing.

But we had CL money coming in. It's paid a year behind. So in season 2011/12 we would recieve 10/11 CL payments

[RFC55 109,092]

I look forward to Ally being next Man Utd Manager and proving me wrong. Alternatively he never gets another job in football and proves certain other posters wrong, we will see.

Can you tell me who in this thread backs ally the manager?

[MisterC 12,282]

Can you tell me who in this thread backs ally the manager?

Me

[RFC55 109,092]

Me

Well we all know that you'd never be at the madam

[JCDBigBear 10,830]

But we had CL money coming in. It's paid a year behind. So in season 2011/12 we would recieve 10/11 CL payments

No it isn't. I am certain that CL money is paid in tranches, I believe it is 3 payments. You also have 3 home gate receipts of approx £1.5 to £2m each.

[MisterC 12,282]

Well we all know that you'd never be at the madam

madam madam do do do do do do

[RFC55 109,092]

No it isn't. I am certain that CL money is paid in tranches, I believe it is 3 payments. You also have 3 home gate receipts of approx £1.5 to £2m each.

Cl money is backdated I'm 99% sure of that, home game money is obviously kept as its gate receipts, but let's not kid in whyte was ever in this for the right reasons

[HG5 11,134]

But we had CL money coming in. It's paid a year behind. So in season 2011/12 we would recieve 10/11 CL payments

It would have been feasible to raise money against that, had we managed to qualify.

A bit like Ticketus & future season ticket revenues.

[RFC55 109,092]

It would have been feasible to raise money against that, had we managed to qualify.

A bit like Ticketus & future season ticket revenues.

He had already used ticketus though to fund the takeover and I doubt any bank would have dealt with CW

[HG5 11,134]

Cl money is backdated I'm 99% sure of that, home game money is obviously kept as its gate receipts, but let's not kid in whyte was ever in this for the right reasons

I don't think anyone would disagree with you there - my angle is simply that the chance to play it fair was removed from him.

In a way which I think could have been avoided.

[HG5 11,134]

He had already used ticketus though to fund the takeover and I doubt any bank would have dealt with CW

Ticketus may well have gone further - after all, once you pass certain milestones, the cash is virtually guaranteed.

I think you're right re the banks, but there are other players out there who may have been interested.

[legalbeagle 3,734]

I don't think anyone would disagree with you there - my angle is simply that the chance to play it fair was removed from him.

In a way which I think could have been avoided.

93/94, 94/95, 97/98, 01/02, 02/03, 08/09

The amount of years we have had managers potentially put us into administration, they should hang their heads in shame for risking our future like that.

[RFC55 109,092]

I don't think anyone would disagree with you there - my angle is simply that the chance to play it fair was removed from him.

In a way which I think could have been avoided.

Fair dos mate

[HG5 11,134]

93/94, 94/95, 97/98, 01/02, 02/03, 08/09

The amount of years we have had managers potentially put us into administration, they should hang their heads in shame for risking our future like that.

Haven't a clue what you mean.

[HG5 11,134]

Fair dos mate

[HG5 11,134]

93/94, 94/95, 97/98, 01/02, 02/03, 08/09

The amount of years we have had managers potentially put us into administration, they should hang their heads in shame for risking our future like that.

I think I've worked it out - early Euro exits.

Ok, at a time when the club was, apparently, well run, with the backing of a steel magnate who, at the time, was a pillar of the establishment.

Ok,let's go with comparing apples & oranges...,,

Let's take this on - the steel magnate always reckoned that our 'budget' didn't factor in any European success, or otherwise.

Which was proved to be a blatant lie, hence the financial restructurings & cost cuttings of the early 2000's.

So, in fact, ALL the early Euro exits you've listed DID actually put the club in jeopardy.

Many a true word spoken in jest, eh?

[legalbeagle 3,734]

I think I've worked it out - early Euro exits.

Ok, at a time when the club was, apparently, well run, with the backing of a steel magnate who, at the time, was a pillar of the establishment.

Ok,let's go with comparing apples & oranges...,,

As compared to being run with a fraudster, I don't see any reason that we should consider giving Whyte the benefit of the doubt because he was never given the opportunity to not break the law with CL money.

I have read Ally being blamed for many things, some of which are true, some debateable and some that I find very challenging, this is one of those that is just a bridge far too far.

[Creampuff 22,628]

This is fucking stupid.

Whyte possibly could have prevented administration using Champions League money had we not been knocked out. However, that doesn't make administration McCoist's fault, it wasn't his job to balance to books.

Anyway, this argument only makes sense if the Champions League money is paid instantly, which I'm fairly sure it isn't.

[HG5 11,134]

As compared to being run with a fraudster, I don't see any reason that we should consider giving Whyte the benefit of the doubt because he was never given the opportunity to not break the law with CL money.

I have read Ally being blamed for many things, some of which are true, some debateable and some that I find very challenging, this is one of those that is just a bridge far too far.

Isn't this the sort of thing you legal people thrive on?

Burden of proof, et al?

I, too, believe Whyte is a wrong'un, by the way.

[HG5 11,134]

This is fucking stupid.

Whyte possibly could have prevented administration using Champions League money had we not been knocked out. However, that doesn't make administration McCoist's fault, it wasn't his job to balance to books.

Anyway, this argument only makes sense if the Champions League money is paid instantly, which I'm fairly sure it isn't.

Once CL qualification was cemented, someone, somewhere, would have given an advance against the earnings.

[simplythebest 11,453]

This is fucking stupid.

Whyte possibly could have prevented administration using Champions League money had we not been knocked out. However, that doesn't make administration McCoist's fault, it wasn't his job to balance to books.

Anyway, this argument only makes sense if the Champions League money is paid instantly, which I'm fairly sure it isn't.

No but knowing you'll get it allows you to budget accordingly I'd think

[legalbeagle 3,734]

Isn't this the sort of thing you legal people thrive on?

Burden of proof, et al?

I, too, believe Whyte is a wrong'un, by the way.

Fortunately I post based on the balance of probabilities, which is helpful for me.

[legalbeagle 3,734]

No but knowing you'll get it allows you to budget accordingly I'd think

Do we think Craig Whyte was budgeting? With the bumper contracts and pay rises for players and new signings?

[Rangerclackman 167]

I disagree. Craig Whyte was a speculator. He bought Rangers for £1. got the money from Ticketus to pay off the bank, and all he wanted was a positive result from the EBT's to sell on for a massive profit. The lack of european football left no working capital to pay the PAYE and admin was the result. The mismanagement of Ally McCoist played a major part, he was a great player but to see him as some kind of saviour figure is wrong wrong wrong.

Spot on bud, craig whye did what businessmen do everywhere, but he needed ally to get through and ally blew it. if we beat maribir no admin

And then he was allowed to blow it over and over and over again, and backed up by some all the way and leave everyone else to clear up his mess while he rakes it in

[HG5 11,134]

Fortunately I post based on the balance of probabilities, which is helpful for me.