hammer93 15,057 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I'm including this in the count , I have just counted 14 new threads based on todays game....fuck me lads that is complete overkill....thank fuck social media wasn't around in the early 80s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 ...and in pretty much all of them the conclusion is the midfield are to blame for the majority of our problems. Incredible how everyone but the Manager and his coaching staff can see that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter huistra 1,740 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 16 if you include my creator and destroyer thread over on the general sport section. Which is really a stealth thread aimed at what Gerrard should be looking to do which is get the balance right in our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPWF 8,232 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, hammer93 said: I'm including this in the count , I have just counted 14 new threads based on todays game....fuck me lads that is complete overkill....thank fuck social media wasn't around in the early 80s Fuck off. It would be overkill if this was the first time we’ve turned in this kind of performance with this result. It’s 3 seasons and it’s still happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, psb07158 said: ...and in pretty much all of them the conclusion is the midfield are to blame for the majority of our problems. Incredible how everyone but the Manager and his coaching staff can see that. Why is it the midfields fault? To me its gerrards fault that he tells them to play a system that encourages the bulk of the play down the middle of the pitch Opponents will setup against us 451 or 541 every single game home or away, and what will inevitably happen is either their wide midfielders or their fullbacks will tuck in and congest the space in the middle as that's where kent and hagi are told to play, in their 451 against us you'll likely find 7 opposing defensive players in the middle lane of the pitch, 3 to stand up against our midfield 3 and 4 to mark morelos, kent and hagi, No even the best player in the world can work in that, livi's pitch is apparently 69m wide, our system is congesting all of our play in the middle 40m People were asking for jack and kamara to drive forward with the ball yesterday, to where? So they go by one man, they immediately come up against another, or they immediately run into the space occupied by one of our front 3 and their marker The system we employ is a fucking disgrace, they players cannot be blamed for being trained and forced into using a shitty way of playing against Scottish football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,057 Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, SPWF said: Fuck off. It would be overkill if this was the first time we’ve turned in this kind of performance with this result. It’s 3 seasons and it’s still happening. Bollocks.....last Sunday the after they dropped points we had folk posting about 11pt leads, their recruitment has been shite,the leagues ours if we want it, keep Morelos and sign a killer midfielder.....7 days later and it's fucking total armageddon....the BD is fucking insane on the back of any negative result always has been and always will be....like I said thank fuck modern technology wasn't around in the early 80s with some of the seasons we had back then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, hammer93 said: Bollocks.....last Sunday the after they dropped points we had folk posting about 11pt leads, their recruitment has been shite,the leagues ours if we want it, keep Morelos and sign a killer midfielder.....7 days later and it's fucking total armageddon....the BD is fucking insane on the back of any negative result always has been and always will be....like I said thank fuck modern technology wasn't around in the early 80s with some of the seasons we had back then Was this the early 80's where our crowds dropped to utterly garbage numbers? Maybe the Internet back then would have allowed fans to vent their anger instead of just not going to games or backing the club financially no matter what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,633 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 53 minutes ago, hammer93 said: Bollocks.....last Sunday the after they dropped points we had folk posting about 11pt leads, their recruitment has been shite,the leagues ours if we want it, keep Morelos and sign a killer midfielder.....7 days later and it's fucking total armageddon....the BD is fucking insane on the back of any negative result always has been and always will be....like I said thank fuck modern technology wasn't around in the early 80s with some of the seasons we had back then Usually I'd agree, but the consistency we have for dropping points when we get ahead within a game or two is a dreadful. People are right to be frustrated that we've chucked away an early gift in the exact same way that we've seen for the last 3 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,722 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, hammer93 said: Bollocks.....last Sunday the after they dropped points we had folk posting about 11pt leads, their recruitment has been shite,the leagues ours if we want it, keep Morelos and sign a killer midfielder.....7 days later and it's fucking total armageddon....the BD is fucking insane on the back of any negative result always has been and always will be....like I said thank fuck modern technology wasn't around in the early 80s with some of the seasons we had back then The RM pendulum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, hammer93 said: Bollocks.....last Sunday the after they dropped points we had folk posting about 11pt leads, their recruitment has been shite,the leagues ours if we want it, keep Morelos and sign a killer midfielder.....7 days later and it's fucking total armageddon....the BD is fucking insane on the back of any negative result always has been and always will be....like I said thank fuck modern technology wasn't around in the early 80s with some of the seasons we had back then At least the 80’s has squads capable of trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 3,767 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: At least the 80’s has squads capable of trophies. Ooooooft......... harsh................ but true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhrfc 2,242 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Why is it the midfields fault? To me its gerrards fault that he tells them to play a system that encourages the bulk of the play down the middle of the pitch Opponents will setup against us 451 or 541 every single game home or away, and what will inevitably happen is either their wide midfielders or their fullbacks will tuck in and congest the space in the middle as that's where kent and hagi are told to play, in their 451 against us you'll likely find 7 opposing defensive players in the middle lane of the pitch, 3 to stand up against our midfield 3 and 4 to mark morelos, kent and hagi, No even the best player in the world can work in that, livi's pitch is apparently 69m wide, our system is congesting all of our play in the middle 40m People were asking for jack and kamara to drive forward with the ball yesterday, to where? So they go by one man, they immediately come up against another, or they immediately run into the space occupied by one of our front 3 and their marker The system we employ is a fucking disgrace, they players cannot be blamed for being trained and forced into using a shitty way of playing against Scottish football Agree with most of that but if they are playing this way we should be able to counter this with both central defenders adopting a high line supported by one deep midfielder, the two full backs acting as wide wing backs alongside the advanced midfielders and the remainder rotating attacking positions so could be 1 up front, 2 up front or 3 up front at different stages in the play to keep the opposition on their toes. Lesser teams in all leagues set up in a similar manner but the top teams find a way round them by varying the tactics on a continual basis. Don't think it is particularly a Scottish thing, it's a Rangers thing because we don't vary our play. Things needed: 1. Speed up the play, far too slow in moving the ball and predictable giving teams plenty of time to get in defensive positions. 2. Creativity, keep trying different approaches. 3. Intensity. Similar to speed but human movement, we need to be swarming like wasps all over defences. Look at our play yesterday, often a couple of players moving and the rest static. 3. Positive approach from the start. Need attempts on target from the off. No point in waiting until the last 15 minutes. 4. No fear. Be prepared to take the opportunity when it comes and don't over complicate things. Many of the top teams go keeper to back of the opposition net in three passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,202 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 In the 80's it would have been talked about by every man and his dug for days on end at work and play. Sorry OP, This thread has censorship written all over it, have you heard of Free Speech ????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,594 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 15 threads where every armchair fan can see the problem yet Gerrard and his stooges haven't figured it out in two years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,594 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I think the forum is split between posters who are sick of Gerrard not learning/adapting and posters who can't see any negative in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrick 8,048 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said: 15 threads where every armchair fan can see the problem yet Gerrard and his stooges haven't figured it out in two years. It’s only became apparent to some fans now , they wanted the joint biggest culprit captain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFamousPigeon 9,352 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, psb07158 said: Incredible how everyone but the Manager and his coaching staff can see that. The armchair consultants have always been able to see the magical essence of the problems though; it really is quite the talent! All of the analysis, reflections, debriefs and reviews of games (video footage, etc) by the actual management teams over the years and they won't realise that yes, the midfield has issues in certain games, but [USER1] with their amazing EYES was able to see it from their laptop screen. Imagine! "How can Walter not see we need pacy youth players not old duds in the team?" "How can Ally not see that Black is shite and shouldn't be played?!" "How can Le Guen not see that tippy tappy passing football won't cut it in the SPL?!" "How can Pedro not see that..." 10 hours ago, psb07158 said: ...and in pretty much all of them the conclusion is the midfield are to blame for the majority of our problems. That's a good idea. I don't know why teams aren't managed by a collective of fans coming together to make the decisions; who needs one specifically trained specialist anymore? Clearly for the last two decades the people we've paid to do the job haven't been able to see what the Football Manager 2006 Certified experts have so why pay them millions to do so? So, what we'll do is get a core of senior players to log onto RM the morning before the match and then we'll collectively decide - with the captain and co-captain - the approach, and who should and shouldn't be playing; where, and when. I can't wait to see the magical difference! "What shall we do today then bosses?" "Umm... come on tae fuck, just fucking kick it up there and score! Clearly the midfield is the problem lads, fucking get it sorted!" "Naw, play a wide game, spread the bastards out and put more crosses into the box!" "Naw it all starts at the back, stop playing side ways and backwards, just get forward, run at them!" "Lump it up there like Goram did to Hately ,and get Morelos on the other end!" .... Opinions are great, and everyone is entitled, that's what the forum is for of course - but this illusionary belief that people have on here that they can see what the experienced management team can't - regardless of who it is; Walter, Ally, Pedro, Murty, McCall, Le Guen... - is really fantastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFamousPigeon 9,352 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, hammer93 said: I'm including this in the count , I have just counted 14 new threads based on todays game....fuck me lads that is complete overkill....thank fuck social media wasn't around in the early 80s Imagine it would have been a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,881 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheFamousPigeon said: The armchair consultants have always been able to see the magical essence of the problems though; it really is quite the talent! All of the analysis, reflections, debriefs and reviews of games (video footage, etc) by the actual management teams over the years and they won't realise that yes, the midfield has issues in certain games, but [USER1] with their amazing EYES was able to see it from their laptop screen. Imagine! "How can Walter not see we need pacy youth players not old duds in the team?" "How can Ally not see that Black is shite and shouldn't be played?!" "How can Le Guen not see that tippy tappy passing football won't cut it in the SPL?!" "How can Pedro not see that..." That's a good idea. I don't know why teams aren't managed by a collective of fans coming together to make the decisions; who needs one specifically trained specialist anymore? Clearly for the last two decades the people we've paid to do the job haven't been able to see what the Football Manager 2006 Certified experts have so why pay them millions to do so? So, what we'll do is get a core of senior players to log onto RM the morning before the match and then we'll collectively decide - with the captain and co-captain - the approach, and who should and shouldn't be playing; where, and when. I can't wait to see the magical difference! "What shall we do today then bosses?" "Umm... come on tae fuck, just fucking kick it up there and score! Clearly the midfield is the problem lads, fucking get it sorted!" "Naw, play a wide game, spread the bastards out and put more crosses into the box!" "Naw it all starts at the back, stop playing side ways and backwards, just get forward, run at them!" "Lump it up there like Goram did to Hately ,and get Morelos on the other end!" .... Opinions are great, and everyone is entitled, that's what the forum is for of course - but this illusionary belief that people have on here that they can see what the experienced management team can't - regardless of who it is; Walter, Ally, Pedro, Murty, McCall, Le Guen... - is really fantastic! Only 1 man on that list was manager. The rest were dung. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TheFamousPigeon said: The armchair consultants have always been able to see the magical essence of the problems though; it really is quite the talent! All of the analysis, reflections, debriefs and reviews of games (video footage, etc) by the actual management teams over the years and they won't realise that yes, the midfield has issues in certain games, but [USER1] with their amazing EYES was able to see it from their laptop screen. Imagine! "How can Walter not see we need pacy youth players not old duds in the team?" "How can Ally not see that Black is shite and shouldn't be played?!" "How can Le Guen not see that tippy tappy passing football won't cut it in the SPL?!" "How can Pedro not see that..." That's a good idea. I don't know why teams aren't managed by a collective of fans coming together to make the decisions; who needs one specifically trained specialist anymore? Clearly for the last two decades the people we've paid to do the job haven't been able to see what the Football Manager 2006 Certified experts have so why pay them millions to do so? So, what we'll do is get a core of senior players to log onto RM the morning before the match and then we'll collectively decide - with the captain and co-captain - the approach, and who should and shouldn't be playing; where, and when. I can't wait to see the magical difference! "What shall we do today then bosses?" "Umm... come on tae fuck, just fucking kick it up there and score! Clearly the midfield is the problem lads, fucking get it sorted!" "Naw, play a wide game, spread the bastards out and put more crosses into the box!" "Naw it all starts at the back, stop playing side ways and backwards, just get forward, run at them!" "Lump it up there like Goram did to Hately ,and get Morelos on the other end!" .... Opinions are great, and everyone is entitled, that's what the forum is for of course - but this illusionary belief that people have on here that they can see what the experienced management team can't - regardless of who it is; Walter, Ally, Pedro, Murty, McCall, Le Guen... - is really fantastic! Can't believe you've spent about 15 minutes typing up that fucking pile of steaming shite Opinions on Ally, Le Guen and Pedro were absolutely spot on, on here, at Ibrox, on buses etc btw. Ironic bit is the part in bold is literally our Management team. Group of Liverpool fans brought together to try and manage a football club when none of them have ever had the experience of doing it at any decent level before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFamousPigeon 9,352 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, psb07158 said: Can't believe you've spent about 15 minutes typing up that fucking pile of steaming shite Opinions on Ally, Le Guen and Pedro were absolutely spot on, on here, at Ibrox, on buses etc btw. Ironic bit is the part in bold is literally our Management team. Group of Liverpool fans brought together to try and manage a football club when none of them have ever had the experience of doing it at any decent level before. So let me get it right; they're clearly inexperienced to be running the show, but you are able to understand the real issue with the midfield with your levels of experience? Just to clarify? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFamousPigeon 9,352 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I'm going to suggest an alternative; it's quite wild. Strap in... The management are able to identify opportunities, challenges and benefits of each player, shape, formation, and tactic in midfield and have players that are capable in those positions in most games or instances but: had an off day, and played against a parked bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheFamousPigeon said: So let me get it right; they're clearly inexperienced to be running the show, but you are able to understand the real issue with the midfield with your levels of experience? Just to clarify? It's not just me. Darren Fletcher, who won far more in his career than Steven Gerrard seemed to agree with it live on Sky Sports yesterday. Were you watching? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, TheFamousPigeon said: The armchair consultants have always been able to see the magical essence of the problems though; it really is quite the talent! All of the analysis, reflections, debriefs and reviews of games (video footage, etc) by the actual management teams over the years and they won't realise that yes, the midfield has issues in certain games, but [USER1] with their amazing EYES was able to see it from their laptop screen. Imagine! "How can Walter not see we need pacy youth players not old duds in the team?" "How can Ally not see that Black is shite and shouldn't be played?!" "How can Le Guen not see that tippy tappy passing football won't cut it in the SPL?!" "How can Pedro not see that..." That's a good idea. I don't know why teams aren't managed by a collective of fans coming together to make the decisions; who needs one specifically trained specialist anymore? Clearly for the last two decades the people we've paid to do the job haven't been able to see what the Football Manager 2006 Certified experts have so why pay them millions to do so? So, what we'll do is get a core of senior players to log onto RM the morning before the match and then we'll collectively decide - with the captain and co-captain - the approach, and who should and shouldn't be playing; where, and when. I can't wait to see the magical difference! "What shall we do today then bosses?" "Umm... come on tae fuck, just fucking kick it up there and score! Clearly the midfield is the problem lads, fucking get it sorted!" "Naw, play a wide game, spread the bastards out and put more crosses into the box!" "Naw it all starts at the back, stop playing side ways and backwards, just get forward, run at them!" "Lump it up there like Goram did to Hately ,and get Morelos on the other end!" .... Opinions are great, and everyone is entitled, that's what the forum is for of course - but this illusionary belief that people have on here that they can see what the experienced management team can't - regardless of who it is; Walter, Ally, Pedro, Murty, McCall, Le Guen... - is really fantastic! 2 minutes ago, TheFamousPigeon said: I'm going to suggest an alternative; it's quite wild. Strap in... The management are able to identify opportunities, challenges and benefits of each player, shape, formation, and tactic in midfield and have players that are capable in those positions in most games or instances but: had an off day, and played against a parked bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I think some posters take their own views and the views of others way too seriously. They're really not that important. I think in the immediate aftermath of a game, good, bad or indifferent, most common sense gets thrown out of the window. I think we're all guilty of that but some are different levels, and at times best left ignored. Extreme views or going against the grain don't really bother me. I think most people just use it as a release, which is absolutely fine. We all care and some just channel their views a little differently. By and large you tend to end up just ignoring some posts or threads. You can be sure that some posters will keep saying the same thing over and over again. Before you even go into a thread you know what's going to be in there hence why a lot of threads just get ignored by most of us. I don't really know what is gained from saying the same thing over and over again but each to their own. If you try to have a debate it doesn't really go far. A lot of views are wildly extreme and a lot of people have their minds made up already. After a bad result you will see many posts and threads saying everybody should leave, we should start again, we will never win anything. Should you try to bring some balance you are a Gerrard, Tav (take your pick) fanboy burying your head in the sand. Most often it's somewhere in the middle. It's fine to be angry, frustrated, disappointed. I think we all feel that but Sunday morning we were winning the league yet Sunday tea time it's all over. To concede the league just now seems a tad premature. I don't expect anyone to care about my opinion. It's a nothing opinion. I don't care if my opinion is right or wrong. Ultimately we just all want the same thing. Hopefully come the end of the season we all get what we want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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