J-Maestro 11,973 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, MacBoyd said: The fact that's your defense shows you must have doubts about what your seeing too What defense? That he turned the team round and dragged us back in to a title race, won the league cup and qualified from the Europa League group in first place? I've doubts if we turn up with the same losers next season, I'm fully behind Clement getting his own players in and actually doing a proper pre-season. esquire8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 75,161 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, Davy Vandenbroucke said: You’re trying to use examples of managers who’ve came into clubs and immediately improved them as a stick to beat Clement with. I gave you an example of Clement doing that. It’s perhaps a hint that the issue is mainly personnel-related. He’s not done it here. There is zero structure, Zero shape and no identity to his team. We don’t press. Patterns of play Out of possession we are an absolute disgrace. It’s 11 players on the park and at times our quality pays off but that, as we see and as we’ve seen previously wont work long term. MacBoyd and BlueAvenger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Vandenbroucke 26,499 Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, Master_Betty said: I don’t know how clement could have been expected to get any better a tune in out of this lot given that a) it’s not a great squad he inherited and b) it’s absolutely injury ravaged meaning the team has often picked itself based on who is fit and who has 30mins in their legs and can sit on the bench. Given that he nearly turned that shit show into a title race is a success in itself. I’m absolutely optimistic about next season under him based on what I’ve seen and will reserve any criticism until he has had a fair crack at it. This bit is often forgotten. How can Clement implement any kind of style when he’s not allowed any consistency when it comes to team selection? Master_Betty and J-Maestro 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,687 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, STEPPS BOY said: I’m not talking about the bounce, he’s completely changed the way they play in a matter of months. they’ve went from Hodgsons stodgy tactics to 3-4-2-1 No pre season or new players needed - a manager stamping his style on his team. He's currently, quite literally, in the middle of a new manager bounce with Palace. His tactics are working, but they've also had Olise and Eze available to him already more than what Hodgson did in just under a year. There's also a humongous quality in difference between the 2 situations. Has there been many examples you can use that are closer to home for us? Who was the last Rangers or scum manager to come in halfway through the season with such a rotten squad and went on to win the league? Or does that no count? OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 72,268 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 26 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: He was given very little at spurs and lost best player. Very little hahahahahaha, he spent over 200 million fuck sake Spent 40 odd million on James Maddison and 50 odd million in Brennan Johnson Davy Vandenbroucke and Rangers_no1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,516 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 15 points from the last 30. 1 out of 9 against the scum is fuckin shocking. For me it’s the players and the manager to blame. Can Clement get rid of the duds, get good players in and change tactics….we will find out. Ivybank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,722 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 He's got one big game left then can reset over the break, looks like he needs it. J-Maestro 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,973 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, Davy Vandenbroucke said: This bit is often forgotten. How can Clement implement any kind of style when he’s not allowed any consistency when it comes to team selection? Ah just convenient excuses, get him out. Davy Vandenbroucke 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,973 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, esquire8 said: He's got one big game left then can reset over the break, looks like he needs it. Come to think of it, wasn't Goldson dropped after the County game when he kept doing long balls? Clement wasn't happy after the game with us going too direct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 4,086 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, STEPPS BOY said: What’s Koppen got to do with it? Nothing much to be honest at this point but if we do go into next season and we're not flying he'll be getting shit as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,687 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 8 minutes ago, Broxi said: Guarantee you nobody will call for him to be sacked next weekend And apparently the nonsense comparison is Postecoglu which is the one you brought up Naw, there will be. The point I made with Postecoglu was to highlight big clubs don't just chop the manager after a poor start to the season solely because they're big clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristoe1872 2,654 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Clement is starting to worry me. He's rambling some amount of garrulous shite and is making Pedro sound like Guardiola. He started losing the plot when Brenda started his mind games and is far to easily led by a bheast media that knows exactly the right things to say to him and ask him. Ivybank and The Specky Forum Organiser 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 75,161 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, King Jela said: He's currently, quite literally, in the middle of a new manager bounce with Palace. His tactics are working, but they've also had Olise and Eze available to him already more than what Hodgson did in just under a year. There's also a humongous quality in difference between the 2 situations. Has there been many examples you can use that are closer to home for us? Who was the last Rangers or scum manager to come in halfway through the season with such a rotten squad and went on to win the league? Or does that no count? Walter when he came back steadied the ship, sure we beat celtic when Adam scored the free kick and we all knew how the next season would go. Closer to home, 2021 we got horsed off Hibs and Gio then took over and we got to Europa league final and won Scottish Cup by playing a style were we went man to man all over the pitch. The scottish Cup Semi was a masterclass from him. He was sacked 6 months after Seville. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,973 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, Bristoe1872 said: Clement is starting to worry me. He's rambling some amount of garrulous shite and is making Pedro sound like Guardiola. He started losing the plot when Brenda started his mind games and is far to easily led by a bheast media that knows exactly the right things to say to him and ask him. What shite has he rambled? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,734 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: He’s not done it here. There is zero structure, Zero shape and no identity to his team. We don’t press. Patterns of play Out of possession we are an absolute disgrace. It’s 11 players on the park and at times our quality pays off but that, as we see and as we’ve seen previously wont work long term. I think this is the case since around Motherwell, maybe even Benfica at home. Until then I thought we had decent structure. Could be misremembering because of how bad it's been since, but I go back to the Sterling, Cortes, McCausland injuries as being related to the drop off here. Already outlined earlier that I think it's then on the manager to then find alternate solutions with those bodies missing. BlueAvenger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,722 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, J-Maestro said: Come to think of it, wasn't Goldson dropped after the County game when he kept doing long balls? Clement wasn't happy after the game with us going too direct. Said he wanted to drop Goldson before that but Balogun got sick and Davies wasn't anywhere near fit. Manager hasn't been happy for a long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,973 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, STEPPS BOY said: Walter when he came back steadied the ship, sure we beat celtic when Adam scored the free kick and we all knew how the next season would go. Closer to home, 2021 we got horsed off Hibs and Gio then took over and we got to Europa league final and won Scottish Cup by playing a style were we went man to man all over the pitch. The scottish Cup Semi was a masterclass from him. He was sacked 6 months after Seville. Gio took over whilst top of the table and got battered in every league game off them. Davy Vandenbroucke 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristoe1872 2,654 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, J-Maestro said: What shite has he rambled? Did you listen to his nonsense today? Have you been listening to his recent interviews? J-Maestro 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old guard 2,360 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 6 minutes ago, SIRB_72 said: Nothing much to be honest at this point but if we do go into next season and we're not flying he'll be getting shit as well. Was Koppen here when we signed diamonde? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 72,268 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, STEPPS BOY said: Walter when he came back steadied the ship, sure we beat celtic when Adam scored the free kick and we all knew how the next season would go. Closer to home, 2021 we got horsed off Hibs and Gio then took over and we got to Europa league final and won Scottish Cup by playing a style were we went man to man all over the pitch. The scottish Cup Semi was a masterclass from him. He was sacked 6 months after Seville. Beat them home and away, Ehiogu goal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 75,161 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, AGM_72 said: I think this is the case since around Motherwell, maybe even Benfica at home. Until then I thought we had decent structure. Could be misremembering because of how bad it's been since, but I go back to the Sterling, Cortes, McCausland injuries as being related to the drop off here. Already outlined earlier that I think it's then on the manager to then find alternate solutions with those bodies missing. The Sterling injury was an enormous loss, no-one can say otherwise. Cortes also looked more than decent in the time we seen him. McCausland is nowhere near good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 4,086 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, the old guard said: Was Koppen here when we signed diamonde? I believe so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old guard 2,360 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, J-Maestro said: What shite has he rambled? His quotes after dens Park were atrocious. Ivybank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,721 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, King Jela said: Naw, there will be. The point I made with Postecoglu was to highlight big clubs don't just chop the manager after a poor start to the season solely because they're big clubs. Postecoglu didn't have a poor start to the season. They dropped points in August when they still hadn't signed half their team and then once they were in and settled they didn't look back. Clement has been in for 8 months now. And again, I'll keep saying it, nobody is saying Clement should be sacked. It's the principle of being able to point out issues vs those saying he can't be criticised for anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old guard 2,360 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, SIRB_72 said: I believe so Jesus SIRB_72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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