WeeJacksonRFC 647 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Hello guys this is really a question for the supporters who go the matches. I know a lot of you and my self agree Wallace really isn't the greatest candidate for the Cpt Arm Band. My question is tho many said he never seems vocal or dominating presence etc. Since the first few matches have ay of the supporters that go to Ibrox or Away matches noticed anything we don't see on TV. Like is he commanding,Leading shouting etc ? I would assume in person you would see/hear things different then on TV/ Just curious Still very happy with results and performance. HAPPY DAYS !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,973 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Don't think Lee has the presence to be captain. At the match today, it was clear that Kenny Miller was orchestrating things when he came on, in a way that Lee never does. As KM is likely to be an impact sub for most of the season, I think we need someone who will do the orchestrating throughout the game. This is not a criticism of Lee as a player, as I think it is already obvious that he is playing better under Warburton than he did for most of last season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScott 40 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Credit where its due - Wallace was much more animated and vocal today than I have ever seen himWe should remember that he is learning this role and now he actually has someone to learn from in Sir David of Weir Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,529 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 You do see him having words with players that are playing ahead of him, especially younger players, at points throughout matches. He doesn't shout and ball and he doesn't make it obvious, but he does do it.Anyway, MW specifically said that he's seen his qualities on the training ground and in the dressing room. There's more to being influential than shouting at folk on a pitch. And right now if MW thinks he's the man for the job, that's good enough for me.I think you can kind of tell from interviews that he's got many of the right kind of personality traits as well. Seems very responsible, bright, calm and level headed to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Tbh it may not matter.From recent experience Claudio Bravo captains Chile and he's not vocal as well as being the goalkeeper.I do agree with the 'ideal' captain stereotype being vocal etc but it doesn't seem to be affecting our progress on the field and it didn't affect Chile's either at the Copa America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer time 653 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Rob Keirnan is certainly vocal enough in the defence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,421 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I think Lee did well today and I was critical of him being Captain. Led by example. He didn't go overboard and scream at players, but seemed to give hints and tips that proved effective for us.Wasn't he wearing a black armband today on his right arm too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wallace the new whipping boy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec87 331 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wallace has earned it in my opinion. It's easy to forget that he refused to leave when there would have been a queue of clubs willing to sign him that summer. I won't forget that and for that reason he is the right man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I think Lee did well today and I was critical of him being Captain. Was vocal and commanding and led by example. He didn't go overboard and scream at players, but seemed to give hints and tips that proved effective for us.Wasn't he wearing a black armband today on his right arm too?It was for Scott Allan's Hibs career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonhillbear 58 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The most vocal captain I can remember was Barry Ferguson and he got pelters for moaning at other players on the pitch. When Davie Weir was captain he didn't scream and shout at others. Wallace has obviously shown at training and away from football that he is the best candidate to be captain, and if that's what MW and DW think then it is good enough for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,973 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wallace the new whipping boy.No, he should not be a whipping boy. He is playing well - much better than last season. The OP asked about the captaincy. He can be a certain type of captain, there's no doubt about that, but if we want a more assertive type, it's not Lee Wallace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,421 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 You do see him having words with players that are playing ahead of him, especially younger players, at points throughout matches. He doesn't shout and ball and he doesn't make it obvious, but he does do it.Anyway, MW specifically said that he's seen his qualities on the training ground and in the dressing room. There's more to being influential than shouting at folk on a pitch. And right now if MW thinks he's the man for the job, that's good enough for me.I think you can kind of tell from interviews that he's got many of the right kind of personality traits as well. Seems very responsible, bright, calm and level headed to me.Good post.Lee does approach players when the ball is out of play or when time permits to have a word. Much more effective than screaming at players from 40 yards away when they can't hear you for the noise of the supporters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,421 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It was for Scott Allan's Hibs career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 One doesn't have to be yelling and screaming in folks faces to provide leadership and that could well be the case with Wallace. Besides is MW, who talks about leadership a lot, says he is captain - who are we to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,529 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Good post.Lee does approach players when the ball is out of play or when time permits to have a word. Much more effective than screaming at players from 40 yards away when they can't hear you for the noise of the supporters.Exactly, my man. From the Govan Stand, where I sit, you see it all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DESGER 241 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Good post.Lee does approach players when the ball is out of play or when time permits to have a word. Much more effective than screaming at players from 40 yards away when they can't hear you for the noise of the supporters.I can see Halliday as captain/vice captain in the future. Plus you just know how much that would mean to him.I also think we already have a few leaders in the team without the need to take it away from Wallace! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Always remember the ever vocal Barry Ferguson attempting to eloquently explain to one Nuno Capucho that he would prefer him to stay on the wing.His message did not translate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,973 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 We certainly don't need a brainless shouter like Barry Ferguson. A quiet captain (like Lee Wallace), can work, but when the going gets a bit rough you need someone who combines intelligence and vocal assertiveness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,421 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I can see Halliday as captain/vice captain in the future. Plus you just know how much that would mean to him.I also think we already have a few leaders in the team without the need to take it away from Wallace!I have no issue with that. The vast majority of our players were communicating with each other very well and pushing each other to do better throughout the match. Great to see such gusto!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 No, he should not be a whipping boy. He is playing well - much better than last season. The OP asked about the captaincy. He can be a certain type of captain, there's no doubt about that, but if we want a more assertive type, it's not Lee Wallace.Wallace is doing fine leave him alone, does a captain have to do raving monster to get his point across. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,973 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Wallace is doing fine leave him alone, does a captain have to do raving monster to get his point across.See my other post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DESGER 241 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no issue with that. The vast majority of our players were communicating with each other very well and pushing each other to do better throughout the match. Great to see such gusto!!!! Totally agree plus it was nice to see us treating a "smaller" team the way we used to I.e play them off the park. For the last couple of years we have either looked scared of the opposition or thought the game was won before it started. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 See my other post.I did, but this the at least the third thread about Wallace it's getting boring which is what,my first post was about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 We certainly don't need a brainless shouter like Barry Ferguson. A quiet captain (like Lee Wallace), can work, but when the going gets a bit rough you need someone who combines intelligence and vocal assertiveness.'Brainless shouter?' That is how you would describe one of the country's most gifted and intelligent footballers of recent years?Deary me, better start watching the cricket instead. Football is obviously too loud and aggressive for your delicate sensibilities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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