North Rd 2,860 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Im not posting the details as im still on a rant from yesterday, but, facts:they are saying we should be stripped of 7 titles going back to 98/99 season. Wrong, SPL put out a remit asking clubs to send them any dual contract payments paid in the last 10 years.So, it can only be from 2001/2002 season.And isnt their a journalist out there who can delve into Celtic, Hearts and others who have probably done the same in the last 10 years.Ps... Murray, how could you have been sooo stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger50champ 300 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Im not posting the details as im still on a rant from yesterday, but, facts:they are saying we should be stripped of 7 titles going back to 98/99 season. Wrong, SPL put out a remit asking clubs to send them any dual contract payments paid in the last 10 years.So, it can only be from 2001/2002 season.And isnt their a journalist out there who can delve into Celtic, Hearts and others who have probably done the same in the last 10 years.Ps... Murray, how could you have been sooo stupid.seriously wish you had thought of a better topic headline mate.We are starting to do the tabloids work for them now on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Im not posting the details as im still on a rant from yesterday, but, facts:they are saying we should be stripped of 7 titles going back to 98/99 season. Wrong, SPL put out a remit asking clubs to send them any dual contract payments paid in the last 10 years.So, it can only be from 2001/2002 season.And isnt their a journalist out there who can delve into Celtic, Hearts and others who have probably done the same in the last 10 years.Ps... Murray, how could you have been sooo stupid.Two reasons..................His fuckin EgoThe fact that it lined his pocket, both regards company tax and his £6m.Everything this man does is for him and no one else........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd 2,860 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Two reasons..................His fuckin EgoThe fact that it lined his pocket, both regards company tax and his £6m.Everything this man does is for him and no one else........... Good Morning Ed... never slept a wink last night, you would have thought someone at Rangers would have noticed you cant do that unless you tell the SPL. Now it makes more sense, that there should be NO ex directors or anyone involved with that old regime in the New Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd 2,860 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 seriously wish you had thought of a better topic headline mate.We are starting to do the tabloids work for them now on hereYour right mate.. maybe I need to settle down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Good Morning Ed... never slept a wink last night, you would have thought someone at Rangers would have noticed you cant do that unless you tell the SPL. Now it makes more sense, that there should be NO ex directors or anyone involved with that old regime in the New Rangers.We have been convicted of nothin yet as regards EBT's and they were transparently displayed in our annual accountsKnee jerk headlines are hardly helpfulTell a lie often enough etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkinator 611 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Where is the president for this, are they just casting up arbatrary punishments at will now? why not strip EVERY title back to 1988. also who gives a fuck about what the sun says? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 We have been convicted of nothin yet as regards EBT's and they were transparently displayed in our annual accountsKnee jerk headlines are hardly helpfulTell a lie often enough etcSorry but the issue is not the EBT's as such (and you are correct we have not been found guilty of that) but the issue is that of dual contracts using EBT's - and that was just wrong. (Although I have to say everyone is mixing the two up - which makes it worse than it is - and its bad enough) DM has a lot to answer for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Rd 2,860 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Where is the president for this, are they just casting up arbatrary punishments at will now? why not strip EVERY title back to 1988. also who gives a fuck about what the sun says? Because if we are honest we know that and the Rhecord are the most read rags in Scotland Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big tam 5 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 From the sunA number of bosses also want to take back any cup silverware from the Light Blues if their controversial use of Employee Benefit Trusts is judged to be illegal.The Ibrox outfit — now in liquidation — is accused of abusing the scheme to avoid £47million in tax between 2001 and 2010.And in a highly-charged five-hour meeting club bigwigs from Scotland’s top flight met at Hampden yesterday to hammer out a list of sanctions, with the possible removal of silverware top of the list.It was also revealed a decision on whether a newco Rangers will be allowed to re-enter the SPL will now be taken on July 4.And IF they are allowed to enter the top division an independent commission will decide if it’s the old club or the new club that has a case to answer over EBTs.A league insider said: “There was plenty on the agenda regarding Rangers at the meeting.“The EBTs were high up, as was the prospect of letting a newco back in the league.“It’s not the view of everyone, but one punishment that was definitely talked about was stripping Rangers of their titles.“To be honest, I’m not sure what good it would do going forward.“But there is definitely a mood to see the old Rangers have some of their titles taken off them.”Last night Rangers Supporters Association General Secretary John MacMillan warned fans would be enraged if any of their trophies were taken back.He said: “It appears the SPL have evidence Rangers have been caught doing the wrong things — that’s what it suggests.“We’ll have to wait and see what that evidence is of course. It looks a very serious situation “I think the fans would be angry if any trophies were taken away.“If it’s true it would appear to have been done willingly and the previous regime need to hold their hands up to that.“Should it not be Sir David Murray they are pulling up? If anything happened it was in his time.”Andy Kerr, of the Rangers Supporters’ Assembly added: “I would be disappointed if this led to the loss of titles.“We declared these payments in the annual accounts every year.“That would not just be turning the clock back it would be turning the screw as well.“If it is established that there were two contracts then obviously there is an issue there. I would hope that everyone would be put under the same spotlight.”The move comes after SPL chiefs hired top law firm Harper McLeod to carry out a probe into Rangers' financial affairs when bosses from HM Revenue and Customs took them to court.Last night they said Rangers had a ‘prima facie’ case to answer over the EBTs paid to top stars.A spokeswoman said: “The SPL board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract.“The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.“The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its rules.“Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13.”Under strict rules clubs must tell the SPL of every payment made to players.The highest cash payment was £6.3million to ex-owner Sir David Murray, while 63 players and 24 staff are said to have had payouts.Acccording to figures obtained by BBC Scotland Barry Ferguson got £2.49million, while former boss Alex McLeish got £1.7million and goalkeeper Stefan Klos £2million. Spanish striker Nacho Novo and Dutch ace Ronald De Boer also netted £1.2million each.Ex-boss Graeme Souness received £30,000 from the trust in 2001 — 10 years after leaving the club.Lawyers Harper Macleod looked into dealings dating back to the league’s formation in 1998. Rangers have won seven titles since then.Last night SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster revealed there is NO limit to the sanctions which could be handed out if the EBTs are found to be illegal.But he admitted the league still didn’t know who would be punished — the old club or new club. He said: “It’s only charges at this point, nothing’s been proven yet.“The board will have to make a decision on who to prosecute. There are two companies at the moment. The board has already said the proceedings will be taken by an independent commission.“That will take place when the future status of Rangers has been determined. The sanctions are unlimited. It’s whatever is deemed appropriate if guilt is established.”Rangers newco club will find out on July 4 if it will be admitted to the Scottish Premier League.All 12 clubs must vote — including Rangers — with new owner Charles Green needing the backing of eight.If five or more say no, a First Division side would replace Rangers, who’d likely apply for the vacancy created in Division Three after other clubs have moved up a division.Meanwhile next season’s fixtures were released yesterday with Rangers replaced with ‘Club 12’.Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4380923/Wipe-em-out.html#ixzz1yDkFlYHa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Good Morning Ed... never slept a wink last night, you would have thought someone at Rangers would have noticed you cant do that unless you tell the SPL. Now it makes more sense, that there should be NO ex directors or anyone involved with that old regime in the New Rangers.After last week being told that the war crimes investigations were on hold..................was this prior to or after the fight touched down from SA that this story broke. Or dread to think that like the admin scenario when the rich sat on the bench until the cva was no more...............could sinister yet friendly hands be at work re ............lets get to Div 3 then they would sell.................merely my thoughts running wild.No one involved and sat on any board should be anywhere near a new PLC board set up.......and yes I mean everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Sorry but the issue is not the EBT's as such (and you are correct we have not been found guilty of that) but the issue is that of dual contracts using EBT's - and that was just wrong. (Although I have to say everyone is mixing the two up - which makes it worse than it is - and its bad enough) DM has a lot to answer for.And it's DM that should be doing the answering and not newco Rangers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 murray stated that no double contracts were ever written regards any player................now I am sure that son of the rosary and ky gel...daly can go and find the tv interview regards this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Scanned over what the Record said about it, saying that even if the SPL voted us back in, we could still be expelled over the alleged dual contracts. So even though their piss-poor journalists like Keevins have been telling us 140 years of history are gone, something from that 140 years can still affect what they deem to be a completely new club?My eight year old cousin could write more consistent drivel than this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And it's DM that should be doing the answering and not newco RangersAgreed, how can anyone currently at the club give any sort of case against the allegations? Not one person worked their at the time, benefited from the scheme, or had any knowledge of what happened whatsoever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Fuck the sun probably the most despicable rag of all time, when you see anything from that arsewipe think of this.Truth fears no questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And it's DM that should be doing the answering and not newco RangersOH I agree with that - and if the punishment is losing titles (which is what everyone is saying) then the ONLY people its affecting are the fans.There is also the argument if we want to stay in the SPL then part of that 'transfer' is Newco acccepting footballing penalties for oldco - and that is one of the reasons why I subscribe more to the SFL3 route. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVB 2,560 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 61 minus 7 still equals 54. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben10 2,293 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 This was their plan all along. Couldn't handle the dominance that would have lasted several years even with financial insecurity. Why are we sitting back and allowing this to happen ? The only rally we appear to be having is in favour of egosticical maniacs fighting to get rid of the man attempting to save us. Yes, the RST definitely have their ducks in a row. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 61 minus 7 still equals 54.Thoughts that were running through my mind also..................and when they lose this media sectarian driven attack we should give our true number of league titles as you correctly mention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why arent celtic being investigated over their use of EBTs with juninho, and further more over their use of image rights? From where i see it they are the exact same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 61 minus 7 still equals 54.Exactly my thinking too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandblue 366 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 This is making Scottish Footbsll just look ridiculous but we need someone to stand up for us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why arent celtic being investigated over their use of EBTs with juninho, and further more over their use of image rights? From where i see it they are the exact same thing.Ssshhh. Sweep sweep. Ffs. Nothing to see Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,527 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Celtic touched kids.Are we burning that club soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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