Police Scotland confirm received report into historic child abuse within football

[Malkster 4,890]

the scum way

[The Godfather 71,895]

Nonce FC finally being uncovered for what they are.

 

Disgusting bastarts

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

1 hour ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said:

The removal of this is irrelevant, the children’s Scotland act is law, they will still be accountable against it.

Section 5 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 creates a statutory duty to report any suspicions of child abuse i.e. a duty to do what is reasonable in all the circumstances to safeguard the child's health, development and welfare. Failure to report concerns, turning a blind eye or failing to protect a child may result in legal action."

 

The “may result from in legal action” is not stated for referencing that they will be held to criminal law, it’s a recognition that their own guidelines insist that they adhere to the stipulations of this children act and if they don’t they may(sfa) provoke legal action holding any member club accountable. The children’s act is mentioned again in the new policy but it doesn’t reference anything to do with what is stated above as far as I can see.

 

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,137]

Finger pointing? 

Naw it’s Karma

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,729]

Former celtic Boys Club player Kenny Campbell was abused by Torbett.

He said: “What makes me so sad is the way celtic have just ignored me and other survivors.

“I see they have an issued some sort of apology but it’s not enough. They need to accept responsibility for what was done in their name and settle these legal cases.

“There will be many other survivors out there who were abused at celtic and I hope they come forward. The club have to face up to this and do the right thing.”

[Malkster 4,890]

So the scum don't like point scoring..........what have they been doing for the last 6 years?, them and their accolytes, all and sundry!

but turn the tables just a little and ............'it's disgusting making political gain from child abuse'

 

 

 

lap it up scum...............yer tea's oot!!!!

[Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310]

4 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

Section 5 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 creates a statutory duty to report any suspicions of child abuse i.e. a duty to do what is reasonable in all the circumstances to safeguard the child's health, development and welfare. Failure to report concerns, turning a blind eye or failing to protect a child may result in legal action."

 

The “may result from in legal action” is not stated for referencing that they will be held to criminal law, it’s a recognition that their own guidelines insist that they adhere to the stipulations of this children act and if they don’t they may(sfa) provoke legal action holding any member club accountable. The children’s act is mentioned again in the new policy but it doesn’t reference anything to do with what is stated above. 

 

Yes may result is so upon the basis of evidence provided have the club etc broken laws, duty of care, moral obligations against the young people and families etc.

Weigh it up and the answers are damming in all areas,

Burn the stadium down!! 

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

5 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said:

Yes may result is so upon the basis of evidence provided have the club etc broken laws, duty of care, moral obligations against the young people and families etc.

Weigh it up and the answers are damming in all areas,

Burn the stadium down!! 

Removing the clear and concise wording of this is at least dubious but very possibly corrupt. Does these words being removed help a kid that’s been abused or a bastardised football team. I could be wrong, I haven’t the time to go through the sfa rule book, but quick glance it looks as if the wording is removed and I copied and pasted this from the sfa guidelines a couple of years ago.

[Inigo 32,532]

The main tac the tims seem to breaking is 'Aye, but what about Dunn, Neely etc'.

Missing the point of covering up and enabling, basically. 

Also have to laugh that it only seems to be 'point scoring' when it's against them... but obviously it's fair game to point out alleged hypocrisy if it's pointed out by them. Fucking idiots.

[cushynumber 25,178]

god help me but I laughed out loud at this

 

[B1872 20,719]

Rangers fans making celtic fans give up their season book because celtic fc covered up child abuse over a 40 year period. Fucking hell ?????

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,681]

1 hour ago, Jeffrey said:

He must have something on them to be coming out with that.

Of course he does. That is what Lawyers do. celtic have shot themselves in the foot.

[BlueKnight87 17,286]

1 hour ago, B1872 said:

Will SFA or SPFL ever release a statement on this?

Their silence is deafening. 

Penn state is the example of the punishments they should be facing.

Yet not one word from these 2. 

[cushynumber 25,178]

1 minute ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

Of course he does. That is what Lawyers do. celtic have shot themselves in the foot.

i would imagine what he is really saying here is "settle this out of court. now. or its going to get crazy"

[thebluedoo 2,652]

3 minutes ago, B1872 said:

Rangers fans making celtic fans give up their season book because celtic fc covered up child abuse over a 40 year period. Fucking hell ?????

Being offended by the reporting of factual child abuse seems to be a greater crime than the original horrific crimes, f@@ked up world 

[sRcFoCt 7,662]

12 minutes ago, cushynumber said:

god help me but I laughed out loud at this

 

 

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

Even that Bill Leckie is reporting it now.

Which leaves us asking a crucial question of those who were far better-placed all along to make sure it never came to this, who could and should have sussed him out 40 years ago and more. Why, in the name of goodness, didn’t they?

The management and directors of celtic — who, for all the club’s official legal position of being a separate entity from the boys’ club, were its very reason for existing — didn’t just know Torbett well, two former chairmen in Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly worked alongside him at his business, The Trophy Centre.

European Cup-winning manager Jock Stein was still in charge when Torbett was removed from his position in 1974 after the first allegations surfaced, yet somehow he was allowed back in to renew his attacks.”

[heathen fish boy 8,580]

1 hour ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said:

On the 29th a chant of he’s one of our own for Paddy McGuire ?

I heard of a lawyer,his name was McGuire

His task was to prove the bheast is a liar

And over in the East end I heard a strange noise

It's the scum trying to hide what they done to those boys....

[magic8ball 27,901]

1 hour ago, cushynumber said:

"massive cover up" - Daly

saw this on social media last night. couldn't work out how to attach it here. 

Daly seems to have the dug with a bone attitude here .it's only a small clip .You can imagine what he will have in a full hour .

I know it won't be a full programme about them as other clubs will be featured but there will be so much dirt on that shower exposed that it will rock Scottish football to the core and the world will take notice .

A lot of people on here ,myself included didn't expect much to come of these allegations and subsequent convictions .but given the way the BBC are reporting this I can see the ramifications make our ebt scheme seem like a storm in a tea cup .given that our problem was in reality a storm in a tea cup I can see a lot of us be shocked at the level of carnage caused when the convictions start piling up .

Remember this has only really been getting lots of coverage in the last few days .imagine what it's going to be like when the others appear in court and the compensation claims start .We will all suffer some consequence of this scandal and these deflecting bastards are only making things worse by trying to deflect blame 

[B1872 20,719]

6 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

Even that Bill Leckie is reporting it now.

Which leaves us asking a crucial question of those who were far better-placed all along to make sure it never came to this, who could and should have sussed him out 40 years ago and more. Why, in the name of goodness, didn’t they?

The management and directors of celtic — who, for all the club’s official legal position of being a separate entity from the boys’ club, were its very reason for existing — didn’t just know Torbett well, two former chairmen in Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly worked alongside him at his business, The Trophy Centre.

European Cup-winning manager Jock Stein was still in charge when Torbett was removed from his position in 1974 after the first allegations surfaced, yet somehow he was allowed back in to renew his attacks.”

Ooofffft! He’s one of the last ones I’d have imagined to attack celtic. Maybe just maybe they’ll get punished for their crimes!

[magic8ball 27,901]

29 minutes ago, Inigo said:

The main tac the tims seem to breaking is 'Aye, but what about Dunn, Neely etc'.

Missing the point of covering up and enabling, basically. 

Also have to laugh that it only seems to be 'point scoring' when it's against them... but obviously it's fair game to point out alleged hypocrisy if it's pointed out by them. Fucking idiots.

heard a few times that there is no record of us reporting Neely to the police .but I'm pretty sure the victim in questions father who reported the abuse to Rangers was a police officer himself .

I have heard also that Neely did receive a punishment for his disgusting behaviour .but it wasn't through the courts .It was the kind of justice most parents would like used 

[Burnbank Derry 294]

The secret deal which protected a sex pervert for five years was struck in an American airport cafe.

Hours before celtic Boys' Club were due to fly home, five men sat around a table at bustling Boston airport.

There they sealed the shameful pact that has haunted them since.

Frank Cairney - the man who WAS celtic Boys' Club - agreed to resign and a dingy chapter in celtic's history was born.

A young player had claimed he had been touched sexually by Cairney while in bed.

Now the other four men who were part of that airport deal, former chairman Jim McNally and officials Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson, have decided to speak about it for the first time.

They talked to the Daily Record which last week lifted the lid off the sex abuse scandal at the boys club.

Jim McNally, speaking for all four, said: "Apart from sworn statements to celtic and the police, none of us has ever spoken about what happened.

"It has been painful and has taken a great toll on all of our lives."

Players had been staying in the homes of ex-pat celtic fans in Kearney, New Jersey, in 1991 for a showpiece tournament. Two were living with exiled Scot, Pat Brannigan.

Jim said: "Pat Brannigan told me that a boy had made a serious allegation against Frank Cairney. I interviewed the boy after Pat Brannigan came for me very early in the morning.

"Pat and his wife Diane were there. I asked a second boy who was also staying at Pat's house to leave the room.

"The first lad was very distraught. He repeated the allegation of a sexual nature against Frank Cairney.

"He said it happened in Pat Brannigan's basement where the boys were sleeping.

"Frank had been staying at a hotel nearby. But it wouldn't have been unusual for him to be in the house because he always went around to where the boys were staying, to make sure they were all right.

"Initially I found the whole thing hard to believe. I had never experienced anything like that before in my life.

"I honestly thought and hoped it was horseplay that had got out of hand a wee bit. Immediately I talked to the other three officials.

"I told them what had happened. We were visiting a theme park that day and I got the senior players together and told them what had happened. They already knew.

"I asked them if they would keep their eye on this lad until we got things sorted out."

He continued: "We decided that we would talk to Frank Cairney and we did. He very forcibly, strenuously denied the allegation. He was very angry. He said nothing happened.

"While we were talking about it, Pat Brannigan arrived and said he had spoken to his lawyer and the police.

"I also spoke to Pat's lawyer about the procedure and what we would do.

"I asked him what would happen if the boy made a formal complaint. And what he told me was the real shocker of the whole thing.

"He said that Frank Cairney would be charged and that the boy, and the other boy who was staying in the house, would be put in protective custody."

Distraught Jim and the officials were terrified to bring in police in case the boys were taken away from them.

He said:"I was absolutely shattered about that. There was no way I could have landed at Glasgow Airport and told two sets of parents that their boys weren't there.

"After that meeting I immediately contacted celtic, but it was the Glasgow Fair and I had a terrible job trying to get a hold of people.

"I tried Jack McGinn, Jimmy Farrell (celtic directors), but could not get them. I then phoned Sean McMullen and Bobby Creilly, two other boys' club officials.

"I told them what had happened and I told them of my fear that the boys would be taken into protective custody and that this wasn't for me or even the boy to decide what they should do. I felt his parents should make that decision.

"This was the Thursday and we were due home on the Sunday.

"We also booked three tickets to be held just in case the boy wanted home early.

"I spoke to the lad at regular intervals and he opted to stay at Brannigan's. He seemed to be coping.

"He continued to play in the tournament. I've always admired the boy and how he coped with all of this.

"He was only 16 at the time. He actually started officially playing for celtic on the Monday after he returned home."

Jim McNally didn't call in the police, but Pat Brannigan may have brought them in. Jim said: "If the police interviewed the boy I wasn't aware of it. I think Pat Brannigan felt we weren't handling it correctly. But the reason we handled it the way we did was because I didn't believe it was up to me to decide what to do.

"Eventually there was a meeting with the boy's parents which Creilly and McMullen had been trying to arrange .

"We left Kennedy airport, New York, on Sunday, but still there was no word. We stopped over at Boston and this is where it all happened.

"There was a message at Boston for me to phone home.

"I was told the meeting had concluded and the outcome was that the boy's parents were quite happy to leave the matter in celtic's hands, provided Frank Cairney resigned from the boys' club on returning.

"Myself, Willie Hampson, Bill Gilfillan and John Gallacher, the four officials, met in the cafe at Boston airport and we told Frank Cairney what we had been advised.

"He agreed to resign when he went home. We arrived at Glasgow and went straight to the park.

"Jack McGinn organised a meeting at 11am with Frank Cairney and a meeting with me at 2pm.

"At that meeting, he gave me a copy of Frank Cairney's resignation which said he had resigned because he had got promotion in his company and the pressure of work.

"We were still concerned that we weren't quite covered, so we individually consulted lawyers and collectively spoke to a QC for advice.

"He asked if we could produce any more boys who could quote incidents from anywhere at any time. But we knew we couldn't do that."

The deal they had to be part of has left them sad, jaundiced men. All have since left celtic Boys' Club.

Jim added: "The boy told me what happened. I cannot say what happened.

"But the parents wanted the boy to get on with his career and get on with his life, once they had been given assurances he was coping."

He added: "We were never sworn to secrecy. The boy asked us not to talk about it and we respected his wishes."

Club hotline for victims

celtic last night set up a counselling service to provide support for families struggling to cope with the trauma of the Boys' Club revelations.

Announcing the hotline, chairman Fergus McCann said: "celtic Football Club has been receiving many calls from people and families in distress over the alleged incidents.

"In addition to asking people to report allegations to the police, it is obvious many need advice of trained specialists."

The support and advice Hotline opens today and will run for a week between noon and midnight. It is costing celtic pounds 5000.

McCann also offered his support to current officials of the Boys Club. He added: "It is a great pity their good work should be tarnished by these alleged incidents."

Boys' Club chairman Tony McGuinness said: "The hotline is a very welcome gesture."

Lorraine Rochford of Network Scotland, who have selected the specialists, added: "celtic Football Club have to be commended for providing this service."

HOW WE EXPOSED SCANDAL

The Daily Record exclusively revealed the celtic Boys' Club sex abuse scandal a week ago.

In a series of exclusive stories, Scotland's No 1 newspaper unmasked Jim Torbett and Frank Cairney.

We exposed how frightened young players were fondled by the club bosses they trusted.

We revealed how Cairney lied to a local newspaper with claims he didn't know one of his victims.

And we told how pervert Torbett was booted out of the club - only to be allowed to return years later.

After the Record's sensational reports, Torbett was again kicked out by the boys' club.

And detectives have confirmed that they plan to quiz the wealthy businessman.

[Ryju84 3,170]

Its strange how those thousands of Legal Tax Experts amongst their junkie, illiterate fans arent also Legal Criminal Justice Experts...

 

Maybe they were ill during that module in Solicitor School... or buying school uniforms.

[B1872 20,719]

celtic tried to deny that Andrew Gray ever played for them I’m sure or THEIR boys club. Absolute scum!

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

3 minutes ago, Ryju84 said:

Its strange how those thousands of Legal Tax Experts amongst their junkie, illiterate fans arent also Legal Criminal Justice Experts...

 

Maybe they were ill during that module in Solicitor School... or buying school uniforms.

I wonder if they would actually get a moral compass if they found out that Torbett didn’t pay his taxes, maybe then they wouldn’t let their club lie.