The Specky Forum Organiser 64,706 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 How big a part(if any) in us retaining our entire support over the last 5 years do you think this played? Personally it's the only enjoyable thing about following Rangers these day for me, as bad as this sounds the football club and everything that goes with it is more of a chore than an enjoyment. Before anyone tells me I'm vile in their opinion I already know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 It has no bearing, you can be PUL and despise Rangers don't ya know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 None I actually stopped going to chapel in the 2nd division Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Made absolutely no difference to me and probably made no difference a large chunk of our support. You're welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,862 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 A huge part . If we were just a run of the mill club our attendances would have free falled throughout the division. But we are and always have been more than a club . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueensEleven 25 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 There's a footballing aspect to this great institution? Everyday's a school day When I was young.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Antrim Loyal 191 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, QueensEleven said: There's a footballing aspect to this great institution? Everyday's a school day When I was young.......... ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Made no difference to me. Rangers is a family thing for me, not a political or cultural (at least not in that sense) thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Antrim Loyal 191 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 It made no difference to me no matter what league we were in, its "follow we will". Those who understand need no explanation.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Means nought Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,916 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Vile, imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gascoigne8 3,378 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Honestly say now it would apply to about 50% of our support. A massive part of the songs/poor atmosphere at ground isnt the fault of the fans who want to sing, more to do with the culture of grassing folk up and it affecting their work life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Dutch 1690 10 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I am currently living in Holland where there is also a religious (North - South) divide. https://black-mosquito.org/popebusters-fahne.html.html It is both nature and nurture with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakbear 3,586 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Inigo said: Made no difference to me. Rangers is a family thing for me, not a political or cultural (at least not in that sense) thing. This. I am atheist, my political leanings will be determined by what the best thing for me and my family is but I don't ever see me being anything other than Unionist. I think the Queen is brilliant but her son is an arsehole who will pretty much be an irrelevance when he takes over as King rendering the monarchy obsolete. The only permanent is Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giffnockger 4,840 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Frank Harrison said: How big a part(if any) in us retaining our entire support over the last 5 years do you think this played? Personally it's the only enjoyable thing about following Rangers these day for me, as bad as this sounds the football club and everything that goes with it is more of a chore than an enjoyment. Before anyone tells me I'm vile in their opinion I already know. FTP FH Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I don't think it's played any part at all. I actually think that aspect of things seems to be dying down more and more nowadays but the support for the club hasn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,609 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I think it's a Major part of it and encompasses what Rangers is About. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjim1690 4,534 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Frank Harrison said: How big a part(if any) in us retaining our entire support over the last 5 years do you think this played? Personally it's the only enjoyable thing about following Rangers these day for me, as bad as this sounds the football club and everything that goes with it is more of a chore than an enjoyment. Before anyone tells me I'm vile in their opinion I already know. I believe the only reason we ( and I mean you guys who actually attend, I'd love to have been a part of it) have retained the support in the last 5 years is as a massive GIRFUY to the rest of Scottish football supporters especially that fuckin' manky mob who tried to destroy us, they had hoped that even if they hadn't managed to effectively kill us off then at least by having us demoted to the bottom tier attendance would dwindle and it would basically have the same effect, well they got that fuckin' wrong didn't they. However in saying that if we hadn't gone through all the turmoil of the last 5 years and were to have found ourselves in the position we are in now the "cultural" aspect would have meant fuck all and I have no doubt that attendances would have dwindled, I remember the 80's when we were crap, you could have fired a cannon through Ibrox and not hit a thing, maybe it's different now but back then our support was indeed fickle, and if this board doesn't get things right soon then they could possibly find themselves in the same position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I don't think you can be a real Rangers supporter unless you embrace the Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist part of it. I find it very easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys as simply wanting independence means you're not one of us or if you support the national team or clean ovens for a living then us real fans have no time for you either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Rangers wouldn't be the Club it is today if we weren't seen as a PUL Club I don't think anyone can deny that However the Club haven't really associated themselves with PUL for years now and as you can see from threads like this we're a bit of a dying breed. So I don't think that's played any major part in us having a good support over the years. If anything it's probably made us worse at supporting the team since some people don't want to or are scared to sing loyalist songs But I don't think anyone goes "I cannae be arsed going today but I'm a pure proddy who loves the Queen and the UVF so I'll go" folk either go or they don't and most of the time folk who don't go simply because they can't be arsed it's nothing to do with the cultural aspect imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Inigo said: Made no difference to me. Rangers is a family thing for me, not a political or cultural (at least not in that sense) thing. It's sort of the same for me, although I'm a Unionist and loyalist I wasn't raised in a political or religious household. Rangers is a family thing as my Dad took me to games same as his Dad, I don't think I ever knew what the songs were about when I was really young, as far back as i can remember ive known we were a Protestant leaning Club and celtic were catholic but i wasnt until i think i was maybe 8 or 9 and I asked my Dad why so many people where Orange to Rangers games and that was the first time id heard of the OO or Ulster or any of that but its not like anyone ever said "we support Rangers cause were Protestant" My Dad tried to raise me to make my own mind up about religion and politics but the Catholic Protestant divide was something I knew about even before I knew about the Old Firm aspect of it, it can't really be avoided in this country as there was a Catholic school right across the road from my school and nearly every 4 or 5 year old asks why some kids from their street go to a different school with a different uniform etc so everyone finds out about it at a young age Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose_n1 536 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, bombaybadboy08 said: I don't think you can be a real Rangers supporter unless you embrace the Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist part of it. I find it very easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys as simply wanting independence means you're not one of us or if you support the national team or clean ovens for a living then us real fans have no time for you either. Couldn't agree more nothing worse than a bear jumping about hampden because that wee fucking rat griffiths has scored a double gives me the fucking boak i grew up in a loyalist household i played the flute in the band and was a member of both OO and ABOD so in my circle it's always been like minded bears but all these fannies that support snp and the likes can get to fuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,544 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 A recent Scottish Social Attitudes survey found that 52% of the population said they were not religious, compared with 40% in 1999 - this is the first time since records began that fewer people in Scotland view themselves as religious than not. Since 1970 the average attendances at home matches has increased just about year on year - it must come to a point where either all the P(UL) community in Scotland are sitting at Ibrox every other Saturday or most people no longer link religion and Rangers. This trend will continue until religion plays zero part in supporting our club- that's a given. There's no denying it did play its part, but our future will not depend on it and in fact, may benefit from it disintegrating altogether. that's the P part done I will deal with the U & L, later in the series on another note: People saying our attendances in some way were a massive GIRFUY to the SFA as a result of our demotion are talking bollocks. Our average attendance at home games for the past 15 years has always been good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, bluenose_n1 said: Couldn't agree more nothing worse than a bear jumping about hampden because that wee fucking rat griffiths has scored a double gives me the fucking boak i grew up in a loyalist household i played the flute in the band and was a member of both OO and ABOD so in my circle it's always been like minded bears but all these fannies that support snp and the likes can get to fuck This is why I don't support Scotland in football I've always seen international games as a nuisance that means Rangers aren't playing When I was wee my Dad took me to my first Scotland game vs Lithuania or some country like that, I was bored out my mind wondering why no one was singing Follow Follow or any good songs, never cared about international football since Even when it's a big game I simply can't bring myself to celebrate a goal from Griffiths or Brown or any of they rhats, just can't get any joy from it and never have so basically gave up pretending to like Scotland in football years ago and have actively supported their opponents ever since the national team was hijacked by the jacobites I consider myself British before Scottish so Rangers is my international team Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 minute ago, KeyserSoze said: A recent Scottish Social Attitudes survey found that 52% of the population said they were not religious, compared with 40% in 1999 - this is the first time since records began that fewer people in Scotland view themselves as religious than not. Since 1970 the average attendances at home matches has increased just about year on year - it must come to a point where either all the P(UL) community in Scotland are sitting at Ibrox every other Saturday or most people no longer link religion and Rangers. This trend will continue until religion plays zero part in supporting our club- that's a given. There's no denying it did play its part, but our future will not depend on it and in fact, may benefit from it disintegrating altogether. that's the P part done I will deal with the U & L, later in the series on another note: People saying our attendances in some way were a massive GIRFUY to the SFA as a result of our demotion are talking bollocks. Our average attendance at home games for the past 15 years has always been good. Good post. We've always had a great support it's just in 2012 there was a feeling that we were under siege and going to the games felt like it was giving the finger to our enemies and not just going to a game. It was a weird shift tho, lots of fans who had followed for years chucked it and then a lot of folk came back to show their support I hadn't been to games for a while before Feb 2012 as my Daughter had just been born, as soon as talk of admin came about I started going to every game again and started going to every away game which I hadn't done before, but at the same time I knew lifelong ST holders who said they couldn't forgive what had happened and weren't coming to games anymore There was definitely more of a family feel in div 3 tho. Folk from our bus would all meet for hours before the bus came in the pub and would stop at places for a beer before and after games, everyone appreciated just being able to go to the football again when we all had worried we wouldn't be able to anymore Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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