magic8ball 27,901 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 A post from a taig blogger appeared on my newsfeed earlier about the infamous agreement and for amusement I decided to have a look . I skim read the blog as it was badly written and full of nonsense .Had only 2points to agree on .that it was a corrupt document and that is holding the game in this country back . It is now time for this agreement to be published for all to see . Our support feel we were harshly treated in the agreement and the rest of the country genuinely think that we were sneaked into the league set up on the back of it .Despite the fact numerous clubs over the world have carried on intact after similar and same financial issues .No other club has been dealt the level of punishment that ours has Rules were altered to remove us from the league and demote us 2 levels below a club which in my opinion was guilty of the worst possible offence .match fixing and bribery for years ,Juventus There are without doubt to observers of youth development in this country some very bright green shoots and this could possibly be something that could be used to every club in the countries advantage to help drag our game back up to a level more fitting of its historical stature. Before TV cash was king and there was a more level playing field we could attract world class players to this country .Even outwith us and the other lot from Glasgow. Dundee brought in Cannigia,Hibs Sauze and Falkirk Waddle. Since then Tv cash and the bosman ruling combined has killed off these level of signings ,Short sighted decisions like opting for Setanta over Sky and kicking us out the league has down sized our game immeasurably. Now I don't expect ever again provincial clubs being able to sign comparable level players again .That horse has bolted .But what's needed is the downward spiral to be halted to give the game a chance to bounce back upwards . Bridge building has been mentioned since our new board took over .So far any minor attempts have been one sided Bridge building doesn't need to happen .But what is necessary is for our controlling bodies and fellow member clubs is to stop trying to kick the shite out of us at every opportunity for short term personal gain . For me .showing the Scottish football public this five way agreement paves the way to end the fighting and give everybody the chance to build for the future. Doncaster must go. No ChiefExec should still be in office with the level of decline that has happened under his tenure .We have one of THE huge huge fixtures in world football in this country .Yet under his reign we as a country get less tv cash than Denmark and numerous other countries of similar population that have no fixture anywhere near what this country has . A line needs drawn in the sand . The Five way agreement needs published Then the hard working football fan might start seeing better value for money and see our game reach it's potential plumbGER, bluedart1952, Sweetheart and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,328 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 We can’t even get an independent inquiry into a proven corrupt director.... there is no chance we will ever get to see the nonsense forced upon us in 2012. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I honestly don't even care any more about it. It could come out and say that we were "to be so unfairly punished that only celtic could win the league for the next decade" and the media and other teams supporters would demand that we were punished more and that it proves a conspiracy in our favour. All I know is that I hate them all and want us to fuck over every SPFL team whenever we can. What it says makes absolutely no difference to me. Teamgers, Fred H Crawford and Falcoholic 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Just now, mitre_mouldmaster said: I honestly don't even care any more about it. It could come out and say that we were "to be so unfairly punished that only celtic could win the league for the next decade" and the media and other teams supporters would demand that we were punished more and that it proves a conspiracy in our favour. All I know is that I hate them all and want us to fuck over every SPFL team whenever we can. What it says makes absolutely no difference to me. I hate the bastards too .But unfortunately for us we actually need them .We need the likes of Milne at the sheep.not to necessarily side with us .But to stop being a taig lapdog . We are being held down.playing with not only one hand but 2 hands behind our back . Get back to an even playing field .It's a turn of phrase .But the cream always rises to the top . Our club is the greatest in the land by far and probably the greatest in the world. To get back playing the level our fans deserve we need a strong foundation.Unfortunately our foundation includes the league we play in . An end to taig domination under a biased and corrupt system will allow all clubs to move forward . Our haters will become stronger .But we will without doubt become the strongest . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertContraband 282 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I though it was published? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, BertContraband said: I though it was published? There were several drafts published but Charles Green and Ally had to fight them all the way. Charles Green also stated in the newspapers that it was a "witch hunt" to which the SPL said " prove it". This link is to draft 6 https://www.scribd.com/document/164650989/5-Way-Agreement-as-Issued-to-All-Parties-for-Signature I think the club should hire a specialist law firm in this area to build a case, by going through all these drafts, and the one we had to sign hours before the season started. Also I'd have them take a look at the unlawful signing embargo that gave only one club a financial advantage after booting Rangers out of the league. I do believe Rangers have a case and it should be mentioned at the next shareholders meeting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd9her 307 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I’m sure the club had the best legal minds in the business on this at the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyd9her said: I’m sure the club had the best legal minds in the business on this at the time Quite possibly but they would have had to make choices to make sure Rangers could play in the next season. Hence having to agree to it hours before the season started. What has not been investigated is unlawful embargoes, financial gain from booting Rangers out of the league and the brazen way they changed the rules to punish Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemac 5,001 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 can someone give a brief idiots summary as to what the 5 way agreement is/was and why it was corrupt? Im no law expert unfortunately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Boardroom section? Sweetheart 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, stevemac said: can someone give a brief idiots summary as to what the 5 way agreement is/was and why it was corrupt? Im no law expert unfortunately. https://footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com/2013/08/03/time-for-Rangers-to-challenge-the-illegal-sfa-spl-agreement/ http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/the-five-way-agreement.html True Hair Bear and LochendBilly 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I always like in issues like this, and; for example; the Mike Ashley stuff, where people make bold suggestions like “hire a lawyer”. Lawyers look over our contracts. Lawyers draft our contracts. The club are very aware of the fact that there are legal specialists available to assist in legal matters. Weird_Beard and Bad Robot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris1984 1,259 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 TL;DR Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,150 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Do we think it’s a balanced agreement or does anyone think we’ve either gained from it or has it hindered our progress? I’m thinking it was in our favour or surely he would have been leaked although I might be acting like a paranoid taig here ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 On 23/07/2018 at 13:09, Bad Robot said: Do we think it’s a balanced agreement or does anyone think we’ve either gained from it or has it hindered our progress? I’m thinking it was in our favour or surely he would have been leaked although I might be acting like a paranoid taig here ? I think it hindered our progress massively. If you read the VB and FTH articles you'll see what I mean.(Links above) The doc was leaked by CF. Bad Robot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Canuck 6 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 It was meant to hinder RFC and allow for all rewards and £££ to go to help the dark side. Worst agreement ever and the dark side still would have asked for more punishments against Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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