hammer93 15,057 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Dude said: Aye, I've bided my time for a couple of weeks since it happened to come on here. Convince yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Hearts chief Ann Budge has warned that she will have no option but to follow through on her threat of legal action if the Tynecastle club is left languishing in the Championship when the new season finally kicks off. That would throw Scottish football into even greater turmoil and could derail the resumption of competitive action, but the retired businesswoman insists she would make a stand if something is not done to mitigate a decision she maintains is “unfair” and “wrong”. Criticised for the reconstruction paper she submitted to clubs earlier this week, she says the creation of a 14-team redresses the decision by the SPFL clubs in April to relegate Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer. The proposition is to be discussed by the current four divisions next week, with Budge desperate for a decision that would allow everyone to move on. “It could drift and drift and drift and I for one don’t want that anymore than anyone else,” said Budge. “As if there weren’t enough uncertainties about. “I know some people will say ‘just give up then’ but that takes us full circle to me saying ‘I’m not giving up because this is wrong’.” The initial grievance of being relegated with eight matches of the league campaign remaining has been compounded by the consequences of that decision, most pertinently the possibility that they may have to sit out half of next season as several of the second tier sides have said they are unable and unwilling to complete a season which will start behind closed doors. “If it unfortunately becomes clear that we will be starting the season in the Championship I don’t have any choice but to go ahead with a legal battle,” reiterated Budge. “Do I want to do that? Absolutely not. We could have done it straight away but I didn’t do it because it wasn’t the right thing to do without exploring other options. “Other clubs have admitted that we should be given financial compensation but who benefits out of that? If it is the clubs compensating us then they are basically admitting that something wasn’t fair. “We have already got two QCs who have looked over that original decision and that is just one angle. If we are in the Championship and the Championship isn’t playing then it is effectively a restriction of trade.” But she refuted that her pursuit of justice was driven by a fear that the club would be unable to survive the drop. “No, I’m still fighting because it is wrong. I have said before that we had planned to make sure we could see ourselves through to late August/Sept, when we hoped we would be able to return, but we have revised that and now have a business plan that takes us through to next year. “So, it isn’t so much about that, it’s because it is wrong and, at the end of the day, if I have exhausted all other avenues then I think I owe it I think I owe it to the supporters to say we will not take this lying down.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hustler 398 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Dude said: Saying no would've shown the club were sticking to their principles. Rangers agreed there was no way to get the season ended. AFAIK, there wasn't even an alternative proposal put forward by the club as to how the season could be finished. It was obvious that the SPFL leagues couldn’t finish. What that doesn’t mean is titles are awarded & teams relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, hammer93 said: Convince yourself I don't need to convince myself of anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, bluenoz said: Hearts chief Ann Budge has warned that she will have no option but to follow through on her threat of legal action if the Tynecastle club is left languishing in the Championship when the new season finally kicks off. That would throw Scottish football into even greater turmoil and could derail the resumption of competitive action, but the retired businesswoman insists she would make a stand if something is not done to mitigate a decision she maintains is “unfair” and “wrong”. Criticised for the reconstruction paper she submitted to clubs earlier this week, she says the creation of a 14-team redresses the decision by the SPFL clubs in April to relegate Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer. The proposition is to be discussed by the current four divisions next week, with Budge desperate for a decision that would allow everyone to move on. “It could drift and drift and drift and I for one don’t want that anymore than anyone else,” said Budge. “As if there weren’t enough uncertainties about. “I know some people will say ‘just give up then’ but that takes us full circle to me saying ‘I’m not giving up because this is wrong’.” The initial grievance of being relegated with eight matches of the league campaign remaining has been compounded by the consequences of that decision, most pertinently the possibility that they may have to sit out half of next season as several of the second tier sides have said they are unable and unwilling to complete a season which will start behind closed doors. “If it unfortunately becomes clear that we will be starting the season in the Championship I don’t have any choice but to go ahead with a legal battle,” reiterated Budge. “Do I want to do that? Absolutely not. We could have done it straight away but I didn’t do it because it wasn’t the right thing to do without exploring other options. “Other clubs have admitted that we should be given financial compensation but who benefits out of that? If it is the clubs compensating us then they are basically admitting that something wasn’t fair. “We have already got two QCs who have looked over that original decision and that is just one angle. If we are in the Championship and the Championship isn’t playing then it is effectively a restriction of trade.” But she refuted that her pursuit of justice was driven by a fear that the club would be unable to survive the drop. “No, I’m still fighting because it is wrong. I have said before that we had planned to make sure we could see ourselves through to late August/Sept, when we hoped we would be able to return, but we have revised that and now have a business plan that takes us through to next year. “So, it isn’t so much about that, it’s because it is wrong and, at the end of the day, if I have exhausted all other avenues then I think I owe it I think I owe it to the supporters to say we will not take this lying down.” Her reconstruction plan already looks dead in the water. L1 and L2 clubs are against it as it is only a temporary fix and massively increases their chance of relegation in two years - just so Hearts don't get relegated this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,057 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: I don't need to convince myself of anything. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The fucking irony!!! Count how many posts you have made in the last couple of hours....that's exactly what you are doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, hammer93 said: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The fucking irony!!! Count how many posts you have made in the last couple of hours....that's exactly what you are doing Is there rules on how many posts someone is allowed to make within a certain timeframe? Folk in the thread complaining I'm not answering quick enough and others moan I'm posting too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, The hustler said: It was obvious that the SPFL leagues couldn’t finish. What that doesn’t mean is titles are awarded & teams relegated. Without going over old ground again, there's issues with prize money etc that needed positions finalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: Her reconstruction plan already looks dead in the water. L1 and L2 clubs are against it as it is only a temporary fix and massively increases their chance of relegation in two years - just so Hearts don't get relegated this year. Then perhaps we are about to hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth in court. Something Doncaster (and others have desperately tried to avoid) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,057 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Is there rules on how many posts someone is allowed to make within a certain timeframe? Folk in the thread complaining I'm not answering quick enough and others moan I'm posting too much. You are trying to debate with everyone who opposes your beliefs (which is basically everyone ) that's the biggest clue I can give you on this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, bluenoz said: Then perhaps we are about to hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth in court. Something Doncaster (and others have desperately tried to avoid) I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Without going over old ground again, there's issues with prize money etc that needed positions finalised. That has already been proven to be not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, hammer93 said: You are trying to debate with everyone who opposes your beliefs (which is basically everyone ) that's the biggest clue I can give you on this one Is that not what forums are for? Mind everyone opposed my 'beliefs' when I said that celtic would be awarded the title, Hearts would be relegated and the playoffs scrapped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, bluenoz said: That has already been proven to be not true. Has it? Where? Even Rangers' proposal was based on clubs being paid out on final league positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 It's somebody else's turn to debate with @The Dude for a bit. I'm exhausted. Don't know how he does it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,915 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Dude said: Her reconstruction plan already looks dead in the water. L1 and L2 clubs are against it as it is only a temporary fix and massively increases their chance of relegation in two years - just so Hearts don't get relegated this year. Acc to Scott Burns “SPFL figures behind the scenes are trying to influence clubs to vote for the proposal but it still looks to end in disappointment for Budge.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Acc to Scott Burns “SPFL figures behind the scenes are trying to influence clubs to vote for the proposal but it still looks to end in disappointment for Budge.” Aye it's Doncaster and Budge seemingly. The Chairman of the Lowland League told me earlier today it was likely fucked (interview will be up tomorrow) as L1 & L2 clubs aren't having it. Heard there's about 5/6 Premiership clubs against it too. Speaking of which, here's a wee preview: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,915 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Aye it's Doncaster and Budge seemingly. The Chairman of the Lowland League told me earlier today it was likely fucked (interview will be up tomorrow) as L1 & L2 clubs aren't having it. Heard there's about 5/6 Premiership clubs against it too. Imagine being influenced by her and that Specky Hot dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billythebear77 10,386 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, bluenoz said: It's somebody else's turn to debate with @The Dude for a bit. I'm exhausted. Don't know how he does it. He’s been on Twitter greeting about his mental health all day, now he’s on here doing his usual mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, Billythebear77 said: He’s been on Twitter greeting about his mental health all day, now he’s on here doing his usual mate Not been 'greeting' about my mental health all day. I posted two tweets yesterday about it after being hospitalised, praising the NHS staff who treated me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,915 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Billythebear77 said: He’s been on Twitter greeting about his mental health all day, now he’s on here doing his usual mate Turn it in mate ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Imagine being influenced by her and that Specky Hot dog. They aren't. Lots of people around clubs find her to be a joke who is just playing at running a fitba club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,915 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Not been 'greeting' about my mental health all day. I posted two tweets yesterday about it after being hospitalised, praising the NHS staff who treated me. Stick in mate 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,057 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: Is that not what forums are for? Mind everyone opposed my 'beliefs' when I said that celtic would be awarded the title, Hearts would be relegated and the playoffs scrapped? Yes that's what you peddled at the time, it's the delight you take in the fact that they did get handed the title....that's what rips in the craw of most people....regardless how crooked it was you will never openly admit that the ballot should have failed....which at that stage would almost certainly have thrown shite at your claims....deep down behind the scenes you were spot on about them being made champions....it's how it actually transpired that is what is the most galling part of it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, STEPPS BOY said: Stick in mate 👍 Cheers bud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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