Scott-RFC 308 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Someone tried to give me this " he misses all the big games" pish last night He has been unlucky a couple of times, shit happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. ...that we can afford to spend on a left sided starter, who starts on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Someone tried to give me this " he misses all the big games" pish last night He has been unlucky a couple of times, shit happens I agree on this. People are far too keen to jump on our player's backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,730 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Someone tried to give me this " he misses all the big games" pish last night He has been unlucky a couple of times, shit happens Very unlucky, its not like his body goes "Big game coming up, lets get injured" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chookes 21 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. I don't see how lack of money means that a younger player couldn't have been given a chance to prove their worth. If Smith couldn't get cover in then surely bringing in a natural but younger CH at some point at the start of the season made sense. Queen of the South in the cup was the ideal time to test Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Also, we knew Madjid Bougherra was going on AFCON duty in January, and still no CB. If there was no money in the summer, then what makes it any different in January, allowing us to go out and bring a CB in? With he injuries, and luck we occur every season, Walter Smith should have known it was never going to pan out the way we hoped, especially when we were competing on four fronts. I just hope Madjid Bouherra isn't out for anytime, as I dread playing Hibs, and going to Tannadice without him. Getting beyone christmas in europe ? Selling a player ? Webster proving he is fit and able ? Not only should walter win every game playing stylish football, he should also be able to see into the future and predict our injuries as well. In an ideal world of course we should have more cover but we're skint..... Getting beyond Christams in Europe was never going to be a certainty, especially with the squad we had. Asking this current team to compete on all four fronts, is asking a hell of a lot. Again, no certainty that a player will be sold, especially one of our so-called ones, and that if we do, the money will be given to the manager. Andy Webster can't be re-called, so his name is out the equation. What other side who have just won the league, and competing in the Champions League, go into a season with two CB's, one a 39 year old, who the manager said himself was unable to play three games in a week? Knowing that Stevie Smith has had injury problems for years, and Kirk Broadfoot was out for at least three months. But he's been shoehorning Lee McCulloch into the CB season for almost a year now, so he was happy enough with that, which is a piss poor decision. Muff what other clubs are in as much fincial trouble as we are ? Have you seen the career history of the guys who just joined our board ? Make no bones about it we are in serious shit. I am sure the manager isn't happy about it in the slightest but his hands are tied. Didn't know that about andy webster, where did you read that ? http://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/index.asp?tm=124&ID=348 Know a few people quite high up at Dundee United, along with being friends with Scott Robertson, and he can't be re-called. The only way Craig Levein was willing to take him, if it was for a season, as he had concerns over the fitness of Wilkie, Dods, and Kovacevic, through the course of the season. Fair enough, cheers..... Is it not a UEFA directive anyway, that no call-back clause can be put in a season long loan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 No idea, that's why i was asking why people were so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoyd 355 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Someone tried to give me this " he misses all the big games" pish last night He has been unlucky a couple of times, shit happens I agree on this. People are far too keen to jump on our player's backs. Pot, Kettle, Black. We need impact players now, not in 2-3 years time. Raises the question, why did we spunk £3.5m on Kyle Lafferty? Potential Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. I don't see how lack of money means that a younger player couldn't have been given a chance to prove their worth. If Smith couldn't get cover in then surely bringing in a natural but younger CH at some point at the start of the season made sense. Queen of the South in the cup was the ideal time to test Wilson. Do you think a decent game against QOTS would have proved his worth to play in this game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. ...that we can afford to spend on a left sided starter, who starts on the right. Due to injuries elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Someone tried to give me this " he misses all the big games" pish last night He has been unlucky a couple of times, shit happens I agree on this. People are far too keen to jump on our player's backs. Pot, Kettle, Black. I wasn't quick to jump on Boyd's back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Taken from UEFA. Bougherra is a major doubt after twisting a knee in training on Tuesday and there are fears he may have suffered medial ligament damage http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixtu.../report=pr.html Let's hope not, or we are in trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. ...that we can afford to spend on a left sided starter, who starts on the right. Due to injuries elsewhere. Novo and Naismith are both perfectly capable of playing on the right. But no, you're right. It makes more sense to play a left-footed winger on the right, and a left back at left wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Taken from UEFA. Bougherra is a major doubt after twisting a knee in training on Tuesday and there are fears he may have suffered medial ligament damage http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixtu.../report=pr.html Let's hope not, or we are in trouble. Apparently this was from a challenge. You'd think the players would go in LESS hard on our star player the day before a big CL game, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Fuck Thats what Cattermole has just been ruled out for 3 months with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Taken from UEFA. Bougherra is a major doubt after twisting a knee in training on Tuesday and there are fears he may have suffered medial ligament damage http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixtu.../report=pr.html Let's hope not, or we are in trouble. Horrific news if true...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juno 2 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Taken from UEFA. Bougherra is a major doubt after twisting a knee in training on Tuesday and there are fears he may have suffered medial ligament damage http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixtu.../report=pr.html Let's hope not, or we are in trouble. Apparently this was from a challenge. You'd think the players would go in LESS hard on our star player the day before a big CL game, eh? We must've invited Abou Diaby up to training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It does amaze me that Smith, with all the experience he undoubtedly has, didn't have the foresight to bring in defensive cover or give our younger players a chance to prove if they're worthy or not. If he did try and get cover but couldn't then I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't see how Rothen (left sided player signed to play on the left, and played on the right ) is as valuable to us as having a deputy CB. My suspicion is that Smith did see we need defensive cover, but genuinely thinks McCulloch and Broadfoot are good enough. It’s not foresight it’s called a lack of money. ...that we can afford to spend on a left sided starter, who starts on the right. Due to injuries elsewhere. Novo and Naismith are both perfectly capable of playing on the right. But no, you're right. It makes more sense to play a left-footed winger on the right, and a left back at left wing. But neither novo or naismith are right wingers if you are going to apply that logic to Smith and Rothen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 If he HAS done a medial ligament, I'd be tempted to cut Rothen's loan deal in January and use the £15k a week to bring in a centreback on loan until the end of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootSpeedKillLight 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 But neither novo or naismith are right wingers if you are going to apply that logic to Smith and Rothen. They're both a hell of a lot more effective on the right wing than Stevie Smith is on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Are we really paying Rothen 15k a week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Are we really paying Rothen 15k a week? Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 But neither novo or naismith are right wingers if you are going to apply that logic to Smith and Rothen. They're both a hell of a lot more effective on the right wing than Stevie Smith is on the left. But neither of them are right wingers according to your logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 If he HAS done a medial ligament, I'd be tempted to cut Rothen's loan deal in January and use the £15k a week to bring in a centreback on loan until the end of the year. If we can't get webster back what makes you think we can do that...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I hope we are not paying Jerome Rothen that per week Steve Gohouri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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