plymouthranger 3,908 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 In our recent demise there have been many factors that contributed. For example spending big in the Advocaat era (although we apparently levelled out all these debts in the Big Eck years), not giving Le Guen the funds to buy the likes of Kallstrom and settling for Sebo (yes, partly the frenchmans fault for l'underestimation i know) and failure to market the club properly abroad. Throw in Kaunas and we're in quite a state right now. And whilst its not fair to blame the downfall on one man (other than SDM ) I think a certain Mr. Ferguson had a part to play... Firstly we got good money for him from Blackburn, but as he departed he fires parting shots about how the club forced him out due to a catholic wife (utter shite, we had a catholic captain in big Amo ffs!) We then sign him back for less money than we sold him for - fair enough. But we also inherited his costly ego etc. He then decides he knows better than a proven European pedigree manager (who won titles at Lyon, is now taking Cameroon to the ACNs and probably the world cup, as well as turning PSG into a force again), by constantly undermiming him. When Ricksen and Bardsley were sent packing we should of all known that the squad had an attitude problem. Given time this could of been fixed as Le Guen attempted to drag a screaming mess of primadonnas into the rigours of 21st century football. But Barry wouldn't of wanted this, so he contributed to the divide between players and staff. Theres so much more to the whole PLG saga I know, and it'll probably be shot to pieces by replies... So the WS era, a new start for Barry to show us he deserved the title "Mr. Rangers". After one good performance against ICT away, we saw him sucessfully hide from almost every subsequent match whilst dishing out lashings to others for not doing his job. Thankfully we got rid of him in the summer, as for someone who loved the club he had done relatively fuck all to deserve his millions in paycheques since he returned. I'm not for a minute saying Barry doesn't love the club, nor that he meant to contribute to our state. Far from it. But he did anyway with his attitude of knowing best and that he was bigger than others at the club. Who honestly thinks we'd be in this situation if we'd stuck by PLG for the last few years, instead of picking Barry over him? I await the cries of "oh captain Barry if only he was here now" combined with the usual "well he was carrying an injury for all that time" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steakbake 417 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 By all means have a pop at Barry if you wish but don't give us the pish that we should have stuck with PLG-the man who signed Svennson,Sebo and Sionko(the 3 s's who made up a 4th-shite) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo1873 0 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 What a load total fucking pish, have u any proof fergy said that aabout his wife??? fucking hell, whats in the water down in plymouth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 You wouldn't know quality if it jumped up and bit you on the arse my cornish friend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBear 3 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 You wouldn't know quality if it jumped up and bit you on the arse my cornish friend Cornish?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,684 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 You wouldn't know quality if it jumped up and bit you on the arse my cornish friend Cornish?? Aye he's right cause the opening post was keyed by a pastie ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWoodburn 2 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 ooh ahrr ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirheadbear 1,483 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I've said in previous threads that we are better without Fergie. I say this because his "influence" ultimately outweighed his ability. He has undermined PLG and Burley and while both are open to various criticisms a player should toe the line and focus on doing the best for him self and the rest of the team. His "lapdogs" McGregor, Boyd and McCulloch carrers and progress have stuttered because of the influence he had on them. Although in McCulloch's case he is a lost cause anyway. But hey the monster munch are back in Murray Park again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I don't miss "Mr Rangers". Not since the day and hour he departed from these shores. Not once. Nope. Not even close. :pierre: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 28 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 So Barry Ferguson is to blame for everything that is wrong at our club? I don't think so, granted he lost his quality at our club and it was time for him to go. But PLG under-estimated scottish football and Rangers and basically got everything wrong. PLG ruined it for himself, not Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthranger 3,908 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 So Barry Ferguson is to blame for everything that is wrong at our club? I don't think so, granted he lost his quality at our club and it was time for him to go. But PLG under-estimated scottish football and Rangers and basically got everything wrong. PLG ruined it for himself, not Ferguson. Come on mate I even typed that Ferguson wasn't singlehandedly to blame, and started my article showing all the other variables in our downfall. Few too many people on here are keen to question a man (cornish my arse, invest in a feckin map of your majesty's isles ya rhat ) instead of reading and commenting on a perfectly reasonable debate topic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,933 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Ferguson may have had many faults but his fighting spirit and love for Rangers were not 2 of them. I do not believe we would have capitulated 4-1 to Unirea at Ibrox if he had been in the team hat night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
super hans 55 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Ferguson was and is a total cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 You may as well blame Barry for all our debt and the mess we are in, plus he was seen throwing the seats in Romania and singing all the bad songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,684 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 'THE' big 'PLAYER' in our as you call it 'downfall' is Sir David Murray ESQ. ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 'THE' big 'PLAYER' in our as you call it 'downfall' is Sir David Murray ESQ. ! Well said Blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damien1 29 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 'THE' big 'PLAYER' in our as you call it 'downfall' is Sir David Murray ESQ. ! The ONLY player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers 96 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 By all means have a pop at Barry if you wish but don't give us the pish that we should have stuck with PLG-the man who signed Svennson,Sebo and Sionko(the 3 s's who made up a 4th-shite) Bear in mind he wanted Elmander, Govou, Toulalan and Luisao instead, but wasn't given the money. Getting in all of those guys would have cost a fortune, I think most of that was just paper talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 The talk of the steamie about why Ferguson left the first time was due to him getting caught putting it about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 'THE' big 'PLAYER' in our as you call it 'downfall' is Sir David Murray ESQ. ! #correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Army 4,146 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 In our recent demise there have been many factors that contributed. For example spending big in the Advocaat era (although we apparently levelled out all these debts in the Big Eck years), not giving Le Guen the funds to buy the likes of Kallstrom and settling for Sebo (yes, partly the frenchmans fault for l'underestimation i know) and failure to market the club properly abroad. Throw in Kaunas and we're in quite a state right now. And whilst its not fair to blame the downfall on one man (other than SDM ) I think a certain Mr. Ferguson had a part to play... Firstly we got good money for him from Blackburn, but as he departed he fires parting shots about how the club forced him out due to a catholic wife (utter shite, we had a catholic captain in big Amo ffs!) We then sign him back for less money than we sold him for - fair enough. But we also inherited his costly ego etc. He then decides he knows better than a proven European pedigree manager (who won titles at Lyon, is now taking Cameroon to the ACNs and probably the world cup, as well as turning PSG into a force again), by constantly undermiming him. When Ricksen and Bardsley were sent packing we should of all known that the squad had an attitude problem. Given time this could of been fixed as Le Guen attempted to drag a screaming mess of primadonnas into the rigours of 21st century football. But Barry wouldn't of wanted this, so he contributed to the divide between players and staff. Theres so much more to the whole PLG saga I know, and it'll probably be shot to pieces by replies... So the WS era, a new start for Barry to show us he deserved the title "Mr. Rangers". After one good performance against ICT away, we saw him sucessfully hide from almost every subsequent match whilst dishing out lashings to others for not doing his job. Thankfully we got rid of him in the summer, as for someone who loved the club he had done relatively fuck all to deserve his millions in paycheques since he returned. I'm not for a minute saying Barry doesn't love the club, nor that he meant to contribute to our state. Far from it. But he did anyway with his attitude of knowing best and that he was bigger than others at the club. Who honestly thinks we'd be in this situation if we'd stuck by PLG for the last few years, instead of picking Barry over him? I await the cries of "oh captain Barry if only he was here now" combined with the usual "well he was carrying an injury for all that time" Can't disagree with any of that, Barry Ferguson was a terrific player for us until he decided he was too good for us and fucked off to Blackburn in 2003 He should never have been brought back and has took a fortune in wages from OUR club and given very little back since 2005, IMHO he was an unhealthy presence at Ibrox and an unhealthy influence on some of the other players As for PLG, He made mistakes, He has admitted as much, But Sionko and Clement were not mistakes. PLG tried to install discipline and a fitness and work ethic at Ibrox, He was unable to do this because he was undermined by an under performing egotist PLG was statistically Rangers most successful manager in European football, he never lost a game and he done something that no other Rangers manager or any other manager of a Scottish team has done, He won an away european game in Italy. Le Guen's team struggled in the league, but how can a team function when the captain and other players do not follow the instructions of the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Well done Barry for getting us the title, was just thinking that we were struggling to get a goal against Aberdeen, and Walter knew he needed a player to save the title. On comes Barry who has a few words into the players ears, and bingo 2 quick goals and we were on the road to the title. What can you say, i always knew we could not do without him, so take a bow Barry your the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
numansnewman 25 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I don't miss "Mr Rangers". Not since the day and hour he departed from these shores. Not once. Nope. Not even close. :pierre: twice over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I've seen worse than Sionko (sp?) at Ibrox Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno72 0 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Stay off the drugs mate. PLG is and was a terrible manager. Made PSG a force again? Check your French football mate, he was as big a disater there as he was at Ibrox hence why he's joined the likes of Bertie Vogts in the world of managing shite international teams. If Ferguson was still at Ibrox we wouldn't have lost two European home games 4-1. No one at Ibrox is there to grab a game and a few players by the scruff of the neck. Oh aye and where are all the people who thought Thomson was the new maradona. Strangely quiet now. Funny how with Ferguson everyone was calling for his head at this stage last season while the silence is deafening with Thomson. The double standards are there for all to see with some so called fans. And turning on a guy who gave the best years of his career to Rangers is a f*cking joke. For the OP, rather tha following the career of an overrated french idiot you migtht want to catch a few Birmingham games. In the supposed best league in the world a certain Mr Ferguson is still strolling through games. So GIRFUY! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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