*** Wimbledon 2011 Thread ***

[SasaFknPapac 9]

Bothers me to fuck.

It's filled with fat bastards, the effort they put in off-court is embarrassing compared to the elite men.

[Jordo 33]

They should make this woman Empress of Japan if she wins this.

Date-Krum for Empress

[JamieD 18,990]

Date-Krum for Empress

Think Venus is going to win

[Jordo 33]

Think Venus is going to win

I'm afraid you may be right

[BillyBoy11 63]

Never watched this yesterday so didnt see the jap play, but gonna watch it now. Dont know who i want to win.

[JamieD 18,990]

Remarkable set so far.

Still think Venus will win, because the universe is cruel, but Date-Krumm is the romantic story of the tournament.

[JamieD 18,990]

Some of the winners this old bird is hitting

[Scott-RFC 308]

FS Date put her away

[Jordo 33]

WTF happened there, I had it on mute doing an interview and it said 1-0 Date-Krum, then I turn round and it's 6-6 in the tie-break !!!!

[Jordo 33]

Date-Krum

[the goal machine 7,806]

Date-Krumm

Some match so far

[JamieD 18,990]

Well, I haven't enjoyed watching women's tennis so much since Steffi Graf retired.

[the goal machine 7,806]

Well, I haven't enjoyed watching women's tennis so much since Steffi Graf retired.

I enjoy watching Sharapova, Ivanovic and Wozniacki (for obvious reasons ) but the Williams sisters have just dominated. Mon Date-Krumm.

[BillyBoy11 63]

That burds serve is fuckin terrible!

[Madina 3,839]

The Venus v Date Krum match has been superb. Think Venus will win now but credit to Date-Krum, 40 year old and been retired for 12 years

[Jordo 33]

Poor Date-Krumm

She is the Davie Weir of women's tennis

[Irwin Sparkes 97]

We'll be going into Thursday with some players still to play their first match!

Surely they'll play on Sunday?

[the goal machine 7,806]

You missed out Kirilenko, how could you?

Kirilenko's a goddess

[JamieD 18,990]

Becker did not retire until 1999 so Sampras was competing with him for 11 years. Edberg 8, Lendl 6 and McEnroe 4.

The later two were about 28-29 when Sampras came onto the scene so you are correct they were coming to the end of their careers, but back in 90s you did not need to be massively athletic to compete at a later age. As shown by Lendl winning the US open at 30 years of age.

Sampras started to decline in 1998 but one the biggest defeats was in US Open final 2000 against Safin who was 20 years of age. Dominated by a stronger, fitter player, same again in 2001 against a 19 year old Hewitt losing second and third sets 6-1.

Both those players dominated Sampras unlike Federer at Wimbeldon winning a five setter that could have went either way. Obviously it was a massive shock to everyone but I don't by into your point that this signalled the end or was the key factor. You did mention this..

It's not only a case of beating the man, it's ending an entire era and starting a new one.

Obviously it ended a Wimbeldon run and era for Sampras but all runs come to an end at some point. But I honestly don't think that was the main reason for Sampras calling it a day. Loads of other factors played a part.

That does not sum up the events pre/prior to Federer match or how Sampras ended his carer on his own accord.Feel you are giving too much praise to Federer here and I'm not entirely sure if it's because you hold him in such high regard.

I'll concede you're right rather than beat a dead horse You probably know more about Sampras than I do.

[JamieD 18,990]

Outrageous return of serve by the elderly Japanese lady there.

[TerryTibbs 224]

Who won? Venus or Dat-Krumm?

[Irwin Sparkes 97]

Heather Watson's parents look a bit weird like

She's quite pretty though (forgive the soppy word, but i don't consider her 'sexy')

[BillyBoy11 63]

I would rattle her. Something about a bandaged arm that does it for me

[We Are The People 62]

Murray coming onto court 1 now?

[SasaFknPapac 9]

He's on BBC1