Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 My family will be investing in the issue.With regards to the rst,they wont be getting a penny of my hard earnedLikewise Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 @thesinsMany of the clubs you mention have trusts run by supporters of the club for the benefit of both the supporters and the club.Can the same measure be used to validate the rst??? Since their inception they have never represented more than 2,000 Rangers fans. I understand that number is now closer to 1,200. Hardly a representative figure.They are no more than a small clique whose mouths write cheques their bodies can't cash.They represent only a tiny percentage of Gers fans yet the trouble they have stirred up this year has done nothing but divide the Rangers support.Question ---- would anyone miss the RST if they ceased to exist?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 So why, exactly, did the RST get up and running then if not to purchse shares in Rangers FC?Perhaps one person could have been hurt and angry as he never got the job he somehow thought he should have......then again I talk as some believe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesins 68 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 @thesinsMany of the clubs you mention have trusts run by supporters of the club for the benefit of both the supporters and the club.Can the same measure be used to validate the rst??? Since their inception they have never represented more than 2,000 Rangers fans. I understand that number is now closer to 1,200. Hardly a representative figure.They are no more than a small clique whose mouths write cheques their bodies can't cash.They represent only a tiny percentage of Gers fans yet the trouble they have stirred up this year has done nothing but divide the Rangers support.Question ---- would anyone miss the RST if they ceased to exist??To be honest the people who would appear to miss it most are the ones on here who talk about it all the time. I believe in democratic supporter representation and this is best achieved by purchasing shares by fans as a group so yes there is a need for the RST I'd say. The demand in the other thread on this very website for a group wishing to purchase shares shows there are many fans feeling the same.If the problem is certain people on the RST board then fans should put reasoned argument together and persuade the majority why things need to change.Or snipe away on a website sniping about our fellow supporters.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPS4LIFE 86 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 all im going to say is with the Ipad mini coming out Apple are hoping it pushes its share price to $1000, they are at the $650 ish mark so are we half as big as Apple? i think not Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 all im going to say is with the Ipad mini coming out Apple are hoping it pushes its share price to $1000, they are at the $650 ish mark so are we half as big as Apple? i think notAll I'm going to say is I'm glad you're not my financial adviser! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 All I'm going to say is I'm glad you're not my financial adviser! They already have their financial whizz kids ffrst (remember your investment can fall, as well as disappear) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 To be honest the people who would appear to miss it most are the ones on here who talk about it all the time. I believe in democratic supporter representation and this is best achieved by purchasing shares by fans as a group so yes there is a need for the RST I'd say. The demand in the other thread on this very website for a group wishing to purchase shares shows there are many fans feeling the same.If the problem is certain people on the RST board then fans should put reasoned argument together and persuade the majority why things need to change.Or snipe away on a website sniping about our fellow supporters....I'm like the RST board I have no time for democracy or awkward questions. You don't need the RST to buy shares as a group. I'm surprised that some RSC's are not bandimg together to buy block shares, I'd trust my local RSC before the rst.Meanwhile I'll keep sniping where I feel it is justified. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theiconicman 3,026 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 all im going to say is with the Ipad mini coming out Apple are hoping it pushes its share price to $1000, they are at the $650 ish mark so are we half as big as Apple? i think notSo much fail in one post Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef 436 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 When I see such divisive fractions and such a lack of trust where the rst are concerned it really does have me wondering what is going on at the rst.I would want my group, trust or company to thrive for the propose it provides, it seems daft to be stuck in a current of waterpulling you down but choose not to act on it, from the outside looking in it is not looking good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 To be honest the people who would appear to miss it most are the ones on here who talk about it all the time. I believe in democratic supporter representation and this is best achieved by purchasing shares by fans as a group so yes there is a need for the RST I'd say. The demand in the other thread on this very website for a group wishing to purchase shares shows there are many fans feeling the same.If the problem is certain people on the RST board then fans should put reasoned argument together and persuade the majority why things need to change.Or snipe away on a website sniping about our fellow supporters....See this idea that people are above criticism if they are a fellow bear, it really rips my knitting. Simple fact is, if you're a fat thieving (allegedly) cunt then regardless of team you support you are a cunt. Its simple. I don't like people because they support the same team as me. Thats kinda pathetic imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allanger 625 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Should the rst plan of getting fans to purchase shares through them fail then I fully expect the rst and its vocal support/lapdogs to turn on Green. Watch this space. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainofIndustry 921 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Should the rst plan of getting fans to purchase shares through them fail then I fully expect the rst and its vocal support/lapdogs to turn on Green. Watch this space.I must admit I'm struggling to see what role the RST has to play here.I thought the intention post-Murray & Whyte was to widen share ownership. What possible benefit is there from replicating a 1970s "Trade Union block vote" scenario?If I elect to invest in Rangers, I'll do so under my own auspices and I strongly advise all fellow supporters to do the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHB 63 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 There is, nevertheless a risk to small shareholders if they invest as individuals and under their own auspices. We have seen in the past how small shareholders were sidelined and marginalised by a few large shareholders who were able to advance their own agenda. We urgently need a small shareholders association which will allow us to pool our shares (votes not ownership) and have a real voice in the future of Rangers. Now, clearly there are issues of trust with the existing supporter organisations. But that does not mean that the concept is a bad one. At some point we need to put aside our internecine squabbles or the risk of us and the club getting shafted once more is very real. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 There is, nevertheless a risk to small shareholders if they invest as individuals and under their own auspices. We have seen in the past how small shareholders were sidelined and marginalised by a few large shareholders who were able to advance their own agenda. We urgently need a small shareholders association which will allow us to pool our shares (votes not ownership) and have a real voice in the future of Rangers. Now, clearly there are issues of trust with the existing supporter organisations. But that does not mean that the concept is a bad one. At some point we need to put aside our internecine squabbles or the risk of us and the club getting shafted once more is very real.Will never happen, too many want to be the commander -in-chief.................the spotlights dazzling them. Anyway I have always been against fan participation in the running of the club..............just think about discussing a game when you will get so many differing views.We as fans have the biggest say in the club as it is......by buying season books, tops, programmes and everything else. Far too many dingwalls and various others out there that would want to be the kingpin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainofIndustry 921 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 There is, nevertheless a risk to small shareholders if they invest as individuals and under their own auspices. We have seen in the past how small shareholders were sidelined and marginalised by a few large shareholders who were able to advance their own agenda. We urgently need a small shareholders association which will allow us to pool our shares (votes not ownership) and have a real voice in the future of Rangers. Now, clearly there are issues of trust with the existing supporter organisations. But that does not mean that the concept is a bad one. At some point we need to put aside our internecine squabbles or the risk of us and the club getting shafted once more is very real.Sure, investing carries a risk but I don't see how buying shares through the RST reduces that risk. At least in the short term, the bulk of the shareholding is likely to be snapped up by large investors, so any fans' collective will have a very small voice indeed.But the biggest issue for me is the makeup of the fans' group which is looking to pool fans' votes, i.e. the increasingly marginalised, factional splinter group, the RST. I can't speak for the rest of the fan-base but I have zero intention of handing over my meagre voting rights to an organisation which has no interest in hearing my opinion.I can see the benefit of a small shareholders association but it won't be the RST; at least not in its present format nor with the current personnel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 There is, nevertheless a risk to small shareholders if they invest as individuals and under their own auspices. We have seen in the past how small shareholders were sidelined and marginalised by a few large shareholders who were able to advance their own agenda. We urgently need a small shareholders association which will allow us to pool our shares (votes not ownership) and have a real voice in the future of Rangers.Now, clearly there are issues of trust with the existing supporter organisations. But that does not mean that the concept is a bad one. At some point we need to put aside our internecine squabbles or the risk of us and the club getting shafted once more is very real.Most wouldn't argue with that, nor indeed could the fans' group being discussed - so it begs the question, WHY have they (RST) not acted for the greater good and removed someone seen by many as a major stumbling block to fan's unity?Or would the entire world as we know it collapse were that to happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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