Smile 26,610 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The picture was about the folk on here defending them based on nothing but their name. It was hardly slating them, in fact it didn't have anything directly to do with them. You could use your brain, but that doesn't suit your case, so...You seem to have a problem with VB which most notice bar you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Army 4,146 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 so yeah, about that smoking gun... any news?Gogzy,I am unsure if there is anything more to come on that episode as it was a series of articles written by VB Admin.I may be wrong here but I believed the "smoking gun" was not Regan leaving the meeting, It was Regan signing the piece of paper and agreeing to what ever the others decided was going to happen to Rangers Football Club.In other words, He left the outcome of the future of Scotland's biggest club, in the hands of our fiercest haters.I am not 100% sure where the phrase "Smoking Gun" originated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre 1,663 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I have to agree it is a pathetic thread it would have been simple if some just said " its still in the process or something to this effectAye, it's always better when folk just make stuff up. Ridiculous overreaction on here to a guy basically saying he disagrees with the methods employed by VB in an article and questions how trustworthy the information was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter 5,627 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Gogzy,I am unsure if there is anything more to come on that episode as it was a series of articles written by VB Admin.I may be wrong here but I believed the "smoking gun" was not Regan leaving the meeting, It was Regan signing the piece of paper and agreeing to what ever the others decided was going to happen to Rangers Football Club.In other words, He left the outcome of the future of Scotland's biggest club, in the hands of our fiercest haters.I am not 100% sure where the phrase "Smoking Gun" originated.Had a look, I think "smoking gun" was Mr Brightside's phrase: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=272077&st=0He referenced this article: http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/sfa-agenda-exposed-soon.htmlLooking back, VB promised to present some "potentially explosive documents concerning the SFA's integrity and impartiality over the handling of Rangers FC's "punishment" upon entering administration." They also promised information, which they provided - the fact Regan signed the document prior to completion is outrageous, and has been singularly ignored by all in the media and football World. It was claimed to be known all along by some individuals, if this is true it is to their eternal shame that they did not make this public, I simply cannot understand their motives for hushing it up.I don't remember the documents, but that could be my memory (I'm not as young as I was...).Sadly, the claim that "The documents and information we will present will leave the footballing authorities with many questions to answer regarding their professionalism and integrity whilst dealing with our club" didn't come to fruition, largely because the football and media worlds simply ignored the claim. That's no criticism of VB, it's disappointing (but revealing) that a claim of this magnitude simply 'goes away.'All in all, probably through no fault of their own, the much fan-fared revelations came to pretty much nothing. Disappointing, but that seems to be the way it is in Scottish football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Had a look, I think "smoking gun" was Mr Brightside's phrase: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=272077&st=0He referenced this article: http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/sfa-agenda-exposed-soon.htmlLooking back, VB promised to present some "potentially explosive documents concerning the SFA's integrity and impartiality over the handling of Rangers FC's "punishment" upon entering administration." They also promised information, which they provided - the fact Regan signed the document prior to completion is outrageous, and has been singularly ignored by all in the media and football World. It was claimed to be known all along by some individuals, if this is true it is to their eternal shame that they did not make this public, I simply cannot understand their motives for hushing it up.I don't remember the documents, but that could be my memory (I'm not as young as I was...).Sadly, the claim that "The documents and information we will present will leave the footballing authorities with many questions to answer regarding their professionalism and integrity whilst dealing with our club" didn't come to fruition, largely because the football and media worlds simply ignored the claim. That's no criticism of VB, it's disappointing (but revealing) that a claim of this magnitude simply 'goes away.'All in all, probably through no fault of their own, the much fan-fared revelations came to pretty much nothing. Disappointing, but that seems to be the way it is in Scottish football.The problem with that piece was that it provided absolutely zero evidence whatsoever. If they provided proof rather than just making accusations I think it would have made a much bigger reaction. I don't really doubt the story but if it is to make any difference then they need to back these things up with evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You seem to have a problem with VB which most notice bar you.I don't have a problem with VB per se. I have a problem with the love-in some of our fans have with them. I also see you chose not to address the actual point of my post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter 5,627 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The problem with that piece was that it provided absolutely zero evidence whatsoever. If they provided proof rather than just making accusations I think it would have made a much bigger reaction. I don't really doubt the story but if it is to make any difference then they need to back these things up with evidence.I appreciate that, I'd hope they had the evidence and would have been willing to provide it to the proper authorities or possibly even the media if asked. I don't know, a lot probably depends on the source and their anonymity requirements. As you say, if they are unable to provide the evidence it's a rumour.Having said that, the media didn't shy away from reporting rumour without evidence during the whole debacle when it was a negative story about Rangers. In fact, they generally won awards when they did! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I appreciate that, I'd hope they had the evidence and would have been willing to provide it to the proper authorities or possibly even the media if asked. I don't know, a lot probably depends on the source and their anonymity requirements. As you say, if they are unable to provide the evidence it's a rumour.Having said that, the media didn't shy away from reporting rumour without evidence during the whole debacle when it was a negative story about Rangers. In fact, they generally won awards when they did!I was hoping that after the piece was challenged that they would maybe revisit the article and add the evidence later. They must have it surely if it is true which is one of the more frustrating aspects. For the media to take our stories seriously we probably need to have twice the evidence than others do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter 5,627 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 For the media to take our stories seriously we probably need to have twice the evidence than others do.Worrying that this is just accepted to be the case, tbh. Yeah, we all know it's true but it shouldn't be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't have a problem with VB per se. I have a problem with the love-in some of our fans have with them. I also see you chose not to address the actual point of my post...Your initial point if there was one lost its veracity once you said this "You could use your brain, but that doesn't suit your case, so..." . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Worrying that this is just accepted to be the case, tbh. Yeah, we all know it's true but it shouldn't be.Pretty much. Not good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Your initial point if there was one lost its veracity once you said this "You could use your brain, but that doesn't suit your case, so..." .An initial point that you're once again ignoring in order to post more inane nonsense.Are you deliberately being contraire, or are you just incapable of actually processing what others say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 If they had anything of consequence to say it would have been said by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 They got distracted attempting to get public sector employees sacked for supporting a football club.Several pages of digs, innuendo and snide comments could have been avoided had you resisted having this dig in the first instance.I'm sure you had your reasons, but frankly it was an uncalled for comment from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Several pages of digs, innuendo and snide comments could have been avoided had you resisted having this dig in the first instance.I'm sure you had your reasons, but frankly it was an uncalled for comment from you.Make a post like that about any other group and it's just part of the thread, say it about VB and it's a forum stopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 An initial point that you're once again ignoring in order to post more inane nonsense.Are you deliberately being contraire, or are you just incapable of actually processing what others say?Should you not be away making some more wee pictures about VB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Make a post like that about any other group and it's just part of the thread, say it about VB and it's a forum stopper.......and that's your excuse for doing it?As lame excuses go that's a belter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistleman 52 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Make a post like that about any other group and it's just part of the thread, say it about VB and it's a forum stopper. i have read some articles vb have done in trying to seek justice for our club can i ask you what has been your input Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 This is my one bugbear about VB.I love the work they do for the most part, but it seems if an critisism ever goes their way then the dummy is spatIt amuses me that a vb admin comes here, calls this place a shithole ( which is a worse insult than anythig said by compton) yet noone cares about that Very childish IMO.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistleman 52 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 from my point of veiw if was actively trying to get justice for rangers and people were having a go at me or making remarks i did not like i would probably say the same thing thats my veiw on how i would feel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 i have read some articles vb have done in trying to seek justice for our club can i ask you what has been your inputAt no point did I suggest that I have done more for the club than VB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 ......and that's your excuse for doing it?As lame excuses go that's a belter.I don't need an excuse for doing it, excuses are for those that have done wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Should you not be away making some more wee pictures about VB.Still not interested in actually replying to things I say? You act like I'm the snide one, but you're just making yourself look silly now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Still not interested in actually replying to things I say? You act like I'm the snide one, but you're just making yourself look silly now.PM me rather that clutter up the forum with this childish drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 PM me rather that clutter up the forum with this childish drivel.I've no interest in PMing you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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