RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said: Ah 'Mr I hate everything' - when you say 'Scottish football deserves a shite deal hope they all suffer. Fuck the lot ' you do realise that we are part of Scottish football ( whether you like it or not) - mind you clarity of thought is not your forte, is it? Could KAI and you not just get a room? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallnotbemoved! 714 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Trooblue said: 1. Richard Keys has an agenda of his own, and is a dubious character to say the least. 2. The 'product' (Scottish football) is crap, so no broadcaster is going to pay over the odds for it. No one turns up to watch matches in any significant numbers at 75% of the clubs. No one wants to pay TV fees to see empty stands. "Premier," clubs with empty stands don't deserve extra money they deserve to fold or play in junior leagues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,632 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 He might have an agenda against sky... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,983 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, weshallnotbemoved! said: No one turns up to watch matches in any significant numbers at 75% of the clubs. No one wants to pay TV fees to see empty stands. "Premier," clubs with empty stands don't deserve extra money they deserve to fold or play in junior leagues. Yes, and the stands would be even emptier if there was more TV coverage ... Scottish football has lived off the Old Firm for decades, and chose to inflict a serious wound on itself in 2012 by 'punishing' the goose that laid the golden egg. Of course that was meant to open up a whole new era of 'strong competition' and 'growth' of the non-Old Firm clubs. How is that scenario coming along lads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,499 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Its fine saying clubs with empty stands don't deserve more money but if you remember the 80s youll remember watching match of the day when English clubs in the old first division played in stadiums well short of capacity, only really a few could fill their grounds, money from tv changed everything, how many used to watch crystal palace before they could afford to buy strikers for 30 million quid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,983 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: He might have an agenda against sky... What gives you that idea? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 18,617 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just pulled the plug on a £140 pm to Sky and taken out telly,broadband,phone line and 2 multi rooms with Virgin for £65 pm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 "Did you smash it?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,229 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Would be interesting to see how many SS subscribers are Rangers supporters, Man Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, bheats etc and the amount the clubs actually receive. Would like to know the ratio of Rangers supporters and Spurs supporters to the amount the clubs will actually receive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,983 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, MurrayWilson said: Its fine saying clubs with empty stands don't deserve more money but if you remember the 80s youll remember watching match of the day when English clubs in the old first division played in stadiums well short of capacity, only really a few could fill their grounds, money from tv changed everything, how many used to watch crystal palace before they could afford to buy strikers for 30 million quid? Fair enough, but 'well short of capacity' for those English clubs still represented huge numbers compared with the two men and a dog who watch the Scottish clubs. I lived in Leicester in the 1980s and went a lot to the old Filbert Street. When they weren't playing the big teams their crowds were on the low side, but even that was five or six times as much as the Motherwells, Kilmarnocks, etc get today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said: Ah 'Mr I hate everything' - when you say 'Scottish football deserves a shite deal hope they all suffer. Fuck the lot ' you do realise that we are part of Scottish football ( whether you like it or not) - mind you clarity of thought is not your forte, is it? I knew Some prick would say this and a couple of gimps would hit like I've covered this loads in the past, it's an absolute myth we need a strong Scottish football to pospher - look at our 2 strongest seasons in recent times the 92/93 CL season where Celtic were on their arse, the only game on TV was the Scottish cup final or Manchester final ... Scotland had been beat off Georgia and failed to qualify for a major competition yet again and the likes of Motherwell were still getting bumped out of Europe damaging our co-efficient There's no major benefit to be had in terms of Cracking Scottish football if we get a wee bit more in tv money I.e we still get the same amount Celtic will get ... a better tv deal won't change a thing except maybe make the rest of them outwith Rangers and Celtic a bit stronger with a wee bit more money do you honestly think boycotting is going to make SKY give Scottish football a better deal? Are you so brain dead that you can't see they'll just remove the deal they've already got if no one in Scotland is watching? How's that work in your one track mind when it comes to the good of the Scottish game? typical highlander mentality here roar we're Scottish and deserve more when we don't the narrative here is very much about the good of our game - a game that tried to eradicate Rangers from it ... just remember that before you try to preach to me on here (same goes for the 2 dumplings who liked your comment who I thought better of too) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 72,135 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, MurrayWilson said: Its fine saying clubs with empty stands don't deserve more money but if you remember the 80s youll remember watching match of the day when English clubs in the old first division played in stadiums well short of capacity, only really a few could fill their grounds, money from tv changed everything, how many used to watch crystal palace before they could afford to buy strikers for 30 million quid? Palace filled their stadium before this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,499 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I get what youre saying but the point I'm making is that a fairer tv deal would equal more money for clubs to spend and therefor surely a better standard of player on the park and bigger crowds. Simple demographics mean that crowds will never equal those in England ,leicester is a big place compared to motherwell or Kilmarnock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,499 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 And palace may have filled their stadium for the last few seasons but not when they were skint and shit. Money changed everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 29 minutes ago, RFC Eagle said: Could KAI and you not just get a room? He's the one that keeps stalking me about the place quoting everything the wee predator that he is Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueredandwhite 47 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, K.A.I said: I knew Some prick would say this and a couple of gimps would hit like I've covered this loads in the past, it's an absolute myth we need a strong Scottish football to pospher - look at our 2 strongest seasons in recent times the 92/93 CL season where Celtic were on their arse, the only game on TV was the Scottish cup final or Manchester final ... Scotland had been beat off Georgia and failed to qualify for a major competition yet again and the likes of Motherwell were still getting bumped out of Europe damaging our co-efficient There's no major benefit to be had in terms with of Cracking Scottish football if we get a wee bit more in tv money I.e we still get the same amount Celtic will get ... a better tv deal won't change a thing except maybe make the rest of them outwith Rangers and Celtic a bit stronger with a wee bit more money the narrative here is very much about the good of our game - a game that tried to eradicate Rangers from it ... just remember that before you try to preach to me on here (same goes for the 2 dumplings who liked your comment who I thought better of too) I completely get where you are coming from here. But strongly believe that for selfish reasons, the only way we will compete at the levels we once did in past ag is through significant investment from TV money. If this was to happen Rangers would once again become a very invest-able institution and from this we could gain investment that would take us to the next level. Trying to shaft the rest of Scottish Football the way they did to us ins't an option - We are bigger than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, blueredandwhite said: I completely get where you are coming from here. But strongly believe that for selfish reasons, the only way we will compete at the levels we once did in past ag is through significant investment from TV money. If this was to happen Rangers would once again become a very invest-able institution and from this we could gain investment that would take us to the next level. Trying to shaft the rest of Scottish Football the way they did to us ins't an option - We are bigger than that. Don't have to shaft them mate, just don't see the need to make the rest of them stronger. A better tv deal wouldn't make us any better off in a league we are competing with Celtic for top prize exception to this would be a deal like England gets but that's not what anyone means so it's a moot point and if anyone does want or think we deserve the same deal as England then they should just log out Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueredandwhite 47 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, K.A.I said: Don't have to shaft them mate, just don't see the need to make the rest of them stronger. A better tv deal wouldn't make us any better off in a league we are competing with Celtic for top prize exception to this would be a deal like England gets but that's not what anyone means so it's a moot point and if anyone does want or think we deserve the same deal as England then they should just log out It would make Rangers and Celtic both stronger as teams meaning that each team would be stronger on the European stage. Leading to an eventual improvement in our co-efficient, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Palace filled their stadium before this season. They have only 'filled' their stadium on a few occasions until the last 2 or 3 seasons. The only time they could was when one of the big clubs visited. Even in the Premiership they only managed just over 3,000 for a game against Everton in 1994. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, blueredandwhite said: It would make Rangers and Celtic both stronger as teams meaning that each team would be stronger on the European stage. Leading to an eventual improvement in our co-efficient, Which takes me back to my earlier point about our two most successful seasons in Europe in recent years with the league and co efficient on its arse what sort of deal do people expect here? We need to be realistic which a lot of people aren't unless it's a massive increase in revenues forget it as it will only make the rest of Scottish football stronger why any Rangers fan wants this fuck me its on a par with the pricks in our support that vote snp i.e. Turkeys voting for Christmas Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 72,135 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, RFC Eagle said: They have only 'filled' their stadium on a few occasions until the last 2 or 3 seasons. The only time they could was when one of the big clubs visited. Even in the Premiership they only managed just over 3,000 for a game against Everton in 1994. Spending £30 million happened this season, two seasons after they average 24,000. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, scottyscott1963 said: Just pulled the plug on a £140 pm to Sky and taken out telly,broadband,phone line and 2 multi rooms with Virgin for £65 pm. Pull the plug on Sky because it's over priced not in the name of Scottish football tho Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, K.A.I said: Don't have to shaft them mate, just don't see the need to make the rest of them stronger. A better tv deal wouldn't make us any better off in a league we are competing with Celtic for top prize exception to this would be a deal like England gets but that's not what anyone means so it's a moot point and if anyone does want or think we deserve the same deal as England then they should just log out I don't think we deserve anything like the deal England get but we do deserve better. When the shitty wee leagues of Europe are getting more than us then something is wrong, the likes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc aren't exactly great leagues either. Most people on this forum would probably struggle to name the teams in their top flight without googling it. I just think the attitude that you want the whole of Scottish football to suffer is a bit silly. Nobody is saying we need a better deal to survive or that we need Scottish football to be strong for us to survive but I certainly wouldn't be against us having some extra income. It'll never happen though because the people in charge of our game will just take what they're given instead of holding out for more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,944 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 hours ago, cushynumber said: thats a circular argument. If Sky give us more money, the product gets better, making people more likely to watch it. arguable given the product was just as shite when sky were paying more Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: I don't think we deserve anything like the deal England get but we do deserve better. When the shitty wee leagues of Europe are getting more than us then something is wrong, the likes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc aren't exactly great leagues either. Most people on this forum would probably struggle to name the teams in their top flight without googling it. I just think the attitude that you want the whole of Scottish football to suffer is a bit silly. Nobody is saying we need a better deal to survive or that we need Scottish football to be strong for us to survive but I certainly wouldn't be against us having some extra income. It'll never happen though because the people in charge of our game will just take what they're given instead of holding out for more. It's not silly to want Scottish football to suffer we owe them fuck-all they tried to get us out the game people forget Rangers don't need a strong Scottish football Scottish football needs a strong Rangers more I hope Scotland boycotts and they pull the plug .. mind what happened the last tv deal when we had this sense of entitlement ? Look it up, we fucked it we are a nation of 5 million people with an absolutely dross product no one owes us anything Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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