Mark Allen: My role at Rangers has been greatly misunderstood

[Sweetheart 8,458]

2 hours ago, broxi51 said:

Everyone critiquing after the fact, the guys remit began after the summer, 4 months into the job it's his fault that our manager was sacked, the majority of pedro's signings have underperformed, DM never took the managers job, Murty been given the job after 4 consecutive wins thinking about the winter transfer market, only to see him losing the next two  matches after taking the lead in both and playing utter shit, as well as having to set up our non existent scouting department, and were left with a heap of crap players on big long term contracts.

Given the circumstances, how the fuck can anyone be able to sort that mess out when just starting a new job.  He would have to be a miracle worker.  Any sensible person will realise it going to take a lot of time and patience to sort out all these issues, something that we fans understandably, me included fail to have give them.

He he can't just go into the job and be like a bull in a china shop like Pedro did in his role, he has to build relationships and trust and implement his plans with thought and intelligence. He might just be another clown, but he might also be the one that could turn our club around.  We can't determine that within a few months, without even 1 transfer window come and gone.  We can't keep relying on quick fixes.

 I believe the board have mislead the fans and their patience is running out from what I've read on social media. The DoF  job seems to be that of a middle man. I'd love him to be interviewed again and asked the following questions to shine a bit more light onto the situation.

When did GM become part of the solution as manager?

How many targets were on the list you gave to the board?

How many of those targets were you allowed to pursue?

Was the failure to secure targets due to the boardroom not signing the deal off?

Were the obstacles you faced a knock on effect from boardroom obstacles?

 

 

[slimjim1690 4,534]

Seems to me that the DOF is just a fancy name for General Manager.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

14 minutes ago, slimjim1690 said:

Seems to me that the DOF is just a fancy name for General Manager.

Me too. 

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

In summary of his article then he is just an adviser whose job is to act like a tube of Bostik but not for first team football decision making matters.  Is that it in a nutshell?

He feels, after now many months in the job, his role is  much misunderstood so he turns to a newspaper to try to explain what he thinks he is supposed to be doing?    And some wonder why communications is a problem with a King-led board.

Wonder if Murty understands the DOF role, of if Robertson understands it, or even if King understands it.......or has Allen just been given some sort of licence to make it up as he goes along.   

It's playing at shops when the core reason for existing - a properly competitive Rangers first team competing for titles and cups - is crumbling under the weight of chairman and board who lack any meaningful decisive leadership skills at this time and crumbling under the appointment - supported by the DOF - of a rookie manager who plainly does not have anywhere near the right credentials and experience to be managing Rangers.   

Its a bit like a once proud  car dealership fallen on tough times and is now not much more than a car showroom that specialises in 2nd hand car sales trying to convince itself it is still a multi-national distributor of top marque cars and employing some fancy strategist to create the illusion that once great days are still there.    

I can't see him staying long at Rangers.  Still think Murty will walk before him though before the end of this season.    And if Murty does walk following a disastrous 2nd half of the season a fair bit of the responsibility will be Allen's.    Because he will have failed to have convinced a board that those who were on his list created a couple of days after Pedro's departure, were worth pursuing in favour of the weak option of appointing a rookie.  

 

[broxi51 48]

1 hour ago, K.A.I said:

Reading that he appears to be responsible for everything and nothing at the same time 

if he’s in charge of our direction and technical ethos then he’s failing based on results and decisions 

waste of money - I want him gone with the rest of them 

 

He has been here 4 months with the club in transition,  failed summer transfer policy which we all endorsed,  ultimately costing Pedro his job, no scouting network , failing to land DM,  he is suppose to sort all that out just like that.  How is that timeframe long enough to see results.

I'm fed up with change after change with no long term fixes, we've never had  no long term planning. It nearly all be down hill since the transfer policy after the Kaunas defeat, we've replaced managers, owners, directors far too often, sometimes reflection is the best option before moving forward.  

You go on about a wasted wage, what about the millions spunked on hee haw, transfer fees, wages, money taken out of the club, crap deals made.  

I don't want to given any new manager a free reign like we've done in the past. The board,Dof, Youth manager and the first team manager all have to work together, putting Rangers first and foremost.  

 

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 hour ago, broxi51 said:

He has been here 4 months with the club in transition,  failed summer transfer policy which we all endorsed,  ultimately costing Pedro his job, no scouting network , failing to land DM,  he is suppose to sort all that out just like that.  How is that timeframe long enough to see results.

I'm fed up with change after change with no long term fixes, we've never had  no long term planning. It nearly all be down hill since the transfer policy after the Kaunas defeat, we've replaced managers, owners, directors far too often, sometimes reflection is the best option before moving forward.  

You go on about a wasted wage, what about the millions spunked on hee haw, transfer fees, wages, money taken out of the club, crap deals made.  

I don't want to given any new manager a free reign like we've done in the past. The board,Dof, Youth manager and the first team manager all have to work together, putting Rangers first and foremost.  

 

I didn’t endorse signing 2 Mexican gambles for 4 million, Ryan Jack who’s pish or 1.3 million on Cardoso ... the 3 signings I was happy with was Dorrans, Alves and Morelos 

the rest of your comment depends on your outlook - your obvious a glass half full guy - im more of a realist - I never wanted a DOF and I’m feeling more and more vindicated as the weeks go on 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,778]

1 hour ago, K.A.I said:

Reading that he appears to be responsible for everything and nothing at the same time 

if he’s in charge of our direction and technical ethos then he’s failing based on results and decisions 

waste of money - I want him gone with the rest of them 

 

it reads to me that the board want a DOF to oversee all the shitey bits of a club that the likes of robertson and co cannot be arsed dealing with, instead of 4 or 5 dept heads going to robertson on a daily basis with mundane shite they annoy Allen with it instead

But when it comes to first team matters the board want all the say, basically they are shunting all the shite work and look like now they are shunting all the blame for this season onto a guy who's job seems to entail everything except the parts that are going wrong

[BridgeIsBlue 66,639]

Nobody at Ibrox wants to take responsibility for the carnage that's happened this calendar year. 

Cowards. 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

Got me thinking. Maybe dinky dave's role is greatly misunderstood?

[broxi51 48]

50 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

I didn’t endorse signing 2 Mexican gambles for 4 million, Ryan Jack who’s pish or 1.3 million on Cardoso ... the only 2 signings I was happy with was Dorrans and Morelos 

the rest of your comment depends on your outlook - your obvious a glass half full guy - im more of a realist - I never wanted a DOF and I’m feeling more and more vindicated as the weeks go on 

I remember the euphoria on here at the time, the vast majority of fans were happy with the signings.

I am not a glass half full guy, I'm sick fed up of the way our club is run I have had this opinion since the flo transfer, maybe if we have say a general manager or director of football, who is allowed to do his job fully then we can be run properly.

We can't rely on the first team manager to manage the running of the club, their job should be results on the field first and foremost. The board are not there to run all the footballing side of the club, we need someone to link each department together along and report to the board.

I don't  know if Allen will work but we can't go on the way it is with our transfer policy, it has to be done with more research and consideration, prudent aswell as calculated risks

[Malvern 11,329]

13 hours ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

He will be the next one gone by the self preservation society Board of ours.

Then Murty.

 

Murty is already gone, the board have hung him out to dry.

[K.A.I 36,183]

3 minutes ago, broxi51 said:

I remember the euphoria on here at the time, the vast majority of fans were happy with the signings.

I am not a glass half full guy, I'm sick fed up of the way our club is run I have had this opinion since the flo transfer, maybe if we have say a general manager or director of football, who is allowed to do his job fully then we can be run properly.

We can't rely on the first team manager to manage the running of the club, their job should be results on the field first and foremost. The board are not there to run all the footballing side of the club, we need someone to link each department together along and report to the board.

I don't  know if Allen will work but we can't go on the way it is with our transfer policy, it has to be done with more research and consideration, prudent aswell as calculated risks

the vast majority of the fans are idiots, then

[ForeverAndEver 71,955]

7 minutes ago, broxi51 said:

I remember the euphoria on here at the time, the vast majority of fans were happy with the signings.

I am not a glass half full guy, I'm sick fed up of the way our club is run I have had this opinion since the flo transfer, maybe if we have say a general manager or director of football, who is allowed to do his job fully then we can be run properly.

We can't rely on the first team manager to manage the running of the club, their job should be results on the field first and foremost. The board are not there to run all the footballing side of the club, we need someone to link each department together along and report to the board.

I don't  know if Allen will work but we can't go on the way it is with our transfer policy, it has to be done with more research and consideration, prudent aswell as calculated risks

Only really Morelos and Alves that got a lot of people excited

[broxi51 48]

Just now, ForeverAndEver said:

Only really Morelos and Alves that got a lot of people excited

Dorrans, Cardosa, were big highlights too.  Every one raved about Pena's ability if we could recreate his old form, a bit like the Krancjar signing, maybe if we had a director of football , might of realised once bitten, twice shy on that one.

everyone thought candelas would be a decent steady player along with jack.

Dacio and Herrera were only the two were people were a bit meh.

[slimjim1690 4,534]

49 minutes ago, broxi51 said:

He has been here 4 months with the club in transition,  failed summer transfer policy which we all endorsed,  ultimately costing Pedro his job, no scouting network , failing to land DM,  he is suppose to sort all that out just like that.  How is that timeframe long enough to see results.

I'm fed up with change after change with no long term fixes, we've never had  no long term planning. It nearly all be down hill since the transfer policy after the Kaunas defeat, we've replaced managers, owners, directors far too often, sometimes reflection is the best option before moving forward.  

You go on about a wasted wage, what about the millions spunked on hee haw, transfer fees, wages, money taken out of the club, crap deals made.  

I don't want to given any new manager a free reign like we've done in the past. The board,Dof, Youth manager and the first team manager all have to work together, putting Rangers first and foremost.  

 

While I agree with what you say in your 1st two paragraphs, I can't help thinking that he is just another yes man, willing to take a wage and if we are to believe him have no say in his proposals, all the same I will grant you that 4 months is maybe to short a time in which to judge him, but if the rumours are true in that he a) recommended  McClaren as manager and b) his January transfer targets being laughed at by DM, then that doesn't fill me with confidence, that along with the fact that I believe he wasn't 1st or even 2nd choice for the position it just smacks of another cheap option, if he was that good at his job then why did City let him go so easily?

[ForeverAndEver 71,955]

3 minutes ago, broxi51 said:

Dorrans, Cardosa, were big highlights too.  Every one raved about Pena's ability if we could recreate his old form, a bit like the Krancjar signing, maybe if we had a director of football , might of realised once bitten, twice shy on that one.

everyone thought candelas would be a decent steady player along with jack.

Dacio and Herrera were only the two were people were a bit meh.

Dorrans, aye, a forgot about him tbf.

Quite a few weren't happy/uninspired by Jack.

[broxi51 48]

1 minute ago, slimjim1690 said:

While I agree with what you say in your 1st two paragraphs, I can't help thinking that he is just another yes man, willing to take a wage and if we are to believe him have no say in his proposals, all the same I will grant you that 4 months is maybe to short a time in which to judge him, but if the rumours are true in that he a) recommended  McClaren as manager and b) his January transfer targets being laughed at by DM, then that doesn't fill me with confidence, that along with the fact that I believe he wasn't 1st or even 2nd choice for the position it just smacks of another cheap option, if he was that good at his job then why did City let him go so easily?

I m not sure Allen is the right man given our boards ineptitude, but 4 months is not long enough to determine this.  i just feel that our managers have had far too much free reign and very little into long term planning. 

I remember the debacle of Kaunas,  what did we go do, went on stupid transfer spree  for short term results ending us long term sold for a pound.  I still can't forgive Walter for that one.  We have to be smarter. Walter's excuse at the time, was he was giving the money so why not spend it,  he only had eyes on the result on the field not the long term harm it could do. Our club needs to be run within a set or parameters, too much damage has and is still being done, will we ever learn lessons from what has happened in the last decade..

[BlueSnowGoose 41]

Reading between the lines of MAs statement...I think he is distancing himself from the board and the Murty decision and awaiting the ensuing carnage ....

100% convinced the Murty decision was a smokescreen to cover King TOP ruling...otherwise why not wait till Jan ?

If Murty flops King must go but quite handy having a DoF to take the flak...not because he's (king) made the wrong appointment again but because he rushed it for reasons of personal and political expediency.

Can't be true as history has shown us Dave King is a clean cut guy...?

[slimjim1690 4,534]

45 minutes ago, broxi51 said:

I m not sure Allen is the right man given our boards ineptitude, but 4 months is not long enough to determine this.  i just feel that our managers have had far too much free reign and very little into long term planning. 

I remember the debacle of Kaunas,  what did we go do, went on stupid transfer spree  for short term results ending us long term sold for a pound.  I still can't forgive Walter for that one.  We have to be smarter. Walter's excuse at the time, was he was giving the money so why not spend it,  he only had eyes on the result on the field not the long term harm it could do. Our club needs to be run within a set or parameters, too much damage has and is still being done, will we ever learn lessons from what has happened in the last decade..

I agree managers being managers will spend whatever funds they are given, that's not their worry though is it, that's the job of the board of whatever football club uses this method, I do happen to agree that a DOF might be the correct buffer but just like hiring the correct manager you also now have the added headache of hiring the correct DOF and as I have said MA doesn't fill me with confidence, actually I really don't know of any DOF  that would work unless there are plenty of funds at his disposal.

[slimjim1690 4,534]

9 minutes ago, BlueSnowGoose said:

Reading between the lines of MAs statement...I think he is distancing himself from the board and the Murty decision and awaiting the ensuing carnage ....

100% convinced the Murty decision was a smokescreen to cover King TOP ruling...otherwise why not wait till Jan ?

If Murty flops King must go but quite handy having a DoF to take the flak...not because he's (king) made the wrong appointment again but because he rushed it for reasons of personal and political expediency.

Can't be true as history has shown us Dave King is a clean cut guy...?

I said this on Friday when the COS verdict was made, its all a smokescreen, and not a very thick or clever one either.

[Escobar 13,676]

15 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said:

No gonny attempt reading that

Superb display picture.

[BlueSnowGoose 41]

3 minutes ago, slimjim1690 said:

I said this on Friday when the COS verdict was made, its all a smokescreen, and not a very thick or clever one either.

What worried me was Murty looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights at that press conference...

Doncha just love this regime...fills ya with confidence?

[ForeverAndEver 71,955]

7 minutes ago, fanaticCR said:

Superb display picture.

Why, thank you.

[gmcf 34,508]

3 hours ago, Reformation Bear said:

In summary of his article then he is just an adviser whose job is to act like a tube of Bostik but not for first team football decision making matters.  Is that it in a nutshell?

He feels, after now many months in the job, his role is  much misunderstood so he turns to a newspaper to try to explain what he thinks he is supposed to be doing?    And some wonder why communications is a problem with a King-led board.

Wonder if Murty understands the DOF role, of if Robertson understands it, or even if King understands it.......or has Allen just been given some sort of licence to make it up as he goes along.   

It's playing at shops when the core reason for existing - a properly competitive Rangers first team competing for titles and cups - is crumbling under the weight of chairman and board who lack any meaningful decisive leadership skills at this time and crumbling under the appointment - supported by the DOF - of a rookie manager who plainly does not have anywhere near the right credentials and experience to be managing Rangers.   

Its a bit like a once proud  car dealership fallen on tough times and is now not much more than a car showroom that specialises in 2nd hand car sales trying to convince itself it is still a multi-national distributor of top marque cars and employing some fancy strategist to create the illusion that once great days are still there.    

I can't see him staying long at Rangers.  Still think Murty will walk before him though before the end of this season.    And if Murty does walk following a disastrous 2nd half of the season a fair bit of the responsibility will be Allen's.    Because he will have failed to have convinced a board that those who were on his list created a couple of days after Pedro's departure, were worth pursuing in favour of the weak option of appointing a rookie.  

 

I don't see how you can blame MA for the board's decision , all he can do is offer recommendations and the board have the final decision , as you'd expect being his employer . 

I do agree he could leave . He seems , to me at least , that he's broken ranks with the board by releasing these two statements and probably wondering what two Bob bit organisation he's got himself involved with . 

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

5 minutes ago, gmcf said:

I don't see how you can blame MA for the board's decision , all he can do is offer recommendations and the board have the final decision , as you'd expect being his employer . 

I do agree he could leave . He seems , to me at least , that he's broken ranks with the board by releasing these two statements and probably wondering what two Bob bit organisation he's got himself involved with . 

Ah well, it depends on your adviser doesn't it.   You get some - like Allen - who, it seems to me, just like to run through a process, produce a set of options, present a paper, list the pros and cons, maybe even get so bold as to make a recommendation and then fold arms with an 'over to you grown ups to make your decision'.   Job done.  Wait for the decision then move on.

That, it strikes me, is what he is about.  

There are others, maybe bolder or more seasoned or more experienced or just plain more able and committed, who go a few extra miles in working to sell the recommendation to the grown ups, who argue strongly for the top ranking recommendation even when the grown ups are faltering or unconvinced.    Put differently, you work a damn sight harder to champion your recommendation and are a damn sight less willing to take 'no, just appoint the rookie' for an answer.   I'm not detecting that Allen is in that mode of operation.  No, it seems to me he is safely in the camp  of just present options backed by conclusions and recommendations and then turf the papers over the wall to the grown ups to make their decision.