Gerrard - What He's Done and What He Can Still Do

[bornabear 6,208]

2 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Mad to think that two months ago we had just beaten them at Torbett Towers and not long before that we battered them in a cup final and here we are today knowing it’s another trophyless season. Spectacular collapse and our manager has been unable to adapt when things were going wrong. 

The fact that a guy like Ojo still comes of the bench before better players  in itself is alarming.

 

2 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

That’s my point. We aren’t struggling in Europe because it’s actual football being played and that suits us.

The failure to adapt to the kick and rush hammer throwing shite in Scotland is the problem as it’s where we play.

Guys like Ojo are a waste of time as they are easily bullied up here. An empty shirt. 

Guys like Greg Docherty, Jamie Murphy and Ross McCrorie would have made a much better bench at Tynecastle than guys that aren’t up to the physicality up here. 👍

 

2 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

We should be playing to cope with both. Footballers with ability who can handle themselves shouldn’t be a massive problem. We seem to have bought some amount of shirkers. 👍

 

1 hour ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

I don’t think a two team strategy would help the club to be honest. Certain players knowing they won’t get a game in certain competitions won’t do them any good.

Our players need to man up. They get paid a fortune. The least they should give in return is 100%.

As far as youth is concerned they should be getting more encouragement but sadly Liverpool’s youth are more likely to play for us than ours are. 

4 posts that sum up this thread with common sensical content.

BTW, I am not an Ojo to his being SG. 

 

[TMB 14,167]

”Looking back to Walter Smith's nine-in-row side, they were often taken apart in Europe despite having an incredible array of players. Smith understood the domestic challenge better than anyone and created a team that was designed to pick apart Scottish sides that were camped in. Players like Paul Gascoigne and Brian Laudrup were afforded a freedom that meant inspiration was in good supply when the going got tough. But when the team went into Europe against even mildly more tactically sophisticated sides the balance shifted and the entire team verged off it's axis. This is why average teams like Auxerre and Steaua Bucharest were able to beat such expensively assembled Ibrox sides.”

It’s a good article.  I do think we could use more physicality in the team especially up front with a big CF. 

Not sure physicality holds you back in Europe.  MON’s celtic team was build around physicality and heading ability.  Three CBs and even Sutton could play CB.  Lennon couldn’t run or pass the ball more than 20 yards.  Yet, they reached a UEFA Cup final.  

Teams need technical and physical ability.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,614]

16 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said:

'Complete' failure's harsh. He has has regularly dominating and beating the scum, which we didn't come anywhere close to doing under actual complete failures like the three before him.

We're (and he is) so close imo, working out how to beat the shit teams in the league particularly away from home is the 'easier' thing to get right compared to having us better the scum consistently in matches or compete well in Europe.

He's not won anything in 2 full seasons so it's absolutely a complete failure. 

And is he close to working out how to beat the teams consistently enough? 

Sods law pretty much says if he hasn't done it after this long he'll more than likely never make it happen. 

[KingKirk 25,695]

27 minutes ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

Depends whether you believe Gerrard can make us winners or not. Sport can be decided by small margins and the scum have had the edge with luck, refereeing decisions (big surprise) and clinical finishing at key moments.

Look at their cup tie yesterday. Like us they were nil-nil at half time. Unlike us they found a way to win by a single late goal. 

For some unknown reason we've had Jack, Kent, Davis, Alfie all hit a slump in form whilst Defoe (our best striker in terms of ratio of goals to minutes played) got injured.

But those names mentioned - as well as Shagger and Hagi (if we get him) - are more than good enough to win this league.

Gerrard at this moment in time doesn't feel to me like a floundering, agitated Warburton or a gormless Caixinha. I say keep the faith for another season. 

 

They got the job done. It's upto the manager to decide if he has the players able to make sure this happens more often than not or he needs to buy. We need 4/5players that'll drag us through games like the scum had yesterday.

That won't come cheap.

[writingranger 1,423]

4 hours ago, magic8ball said:

It’s strange how the it must be Dubai story gets any credence,We didn’t go to Dubai last year it was Tenerife 

The real truth of the matter is that both times it halted our momentum. 

[StaunchLondonGer 1,651]

12 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

They got the job done. It's upto the manager to decide if he has the players able to make sure this happens more often than not or he needs to buy. We need 4/5players that'll drag us through games like the scum had yesterday.

That won't come cheap.

But we got through those games before the winter break. Fact is we have the quality but the approach/tactics aren't working consistently anymore for domestic games and need revision. 

[writingranger 1,423]

33 minutes ago, TMB said:

”Looking back to Walter Smith's nine-in-row side, they were often taken apart in Europe despite having an incredible array of players. Smith understood the domestic challenge better than anyone and created a team that was designed to pick apart Scottish sides that were camped in. Players like Paul Gascoigne and Brian Laudrup were afforded a freedom that meant inspiration was in good supply when the going got tough. But when the team went into Europe against even mildly more tactically sophisticated sides the balance shifted and the entire team verged off it's axis. This is why average teams like Auxerre and Steaua Bucharest were able to beat such expensively assembled Ibrox sides.”

It’s a good article.  I do think we could use more physicality in the team especially up front with a big CF. 

Not sure physicality holds you back in Europe.  MON’s celtic team was build around physicality and heading ability.  Three CBs and even Sutton could play CB.  Lennon couldn’t run or pass the ball more than 20 yards.  Yet, they reached a UEFA Cup final.  

Teams need technical and physical ability.

The article makes a good point. Although this team hasn't faced a team as dominant as Juventus in the mid 90s it wouldn't have lost 8-1 over two legs.

Have we lost any game bu more than 1 goal since gerrard came?

[StaunchLondonGer 1,651]

19 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

He's not won anything in 2 full seasons so it's absolutely a complete failure. 

And is he close to working out how to beat the teams consistently enough? 

Sods law pretty much says if he hasn't done it after this long he'll more than likely never make it happen. 

I think to say its a complete failure ignores the fact he's restored our pride in Europe (and brought in European cash) whilst significantly helping  to improve our brand image and generate fresh interest in Rangers across the UK and beyond. It was a clever move by DK for that alone imo. 

We need trophies obviously. But when someone has come within a whisker of silverware, got the better of the current champions home and away, and seems to be strengthening the squad with quality like Hagi, isn't it worth rolling the dice for another season to see where the journey concludes?

Especially when there is no obvious alternative.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,614]

6 minutes ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

I think to say its a complete failure ignores the fact he's restored our pride in Europe (and brought in European cash) whilst significantly helping  to improve our brand image and generate fresh interest in Rangers across the UK and beyond. It was a clever move by DK for that alone imo. 

We need trophies obviously. But when someone has come within a whisker of silverware, got the better of the current champions home and away, and seems to be strengthening the squad with quality like Hagi, isn't it worth rolling the dice for another season to see where the journey concludes?

Especially when there is no obvious alternative.

For us to roll the dice and hope it gets better next season, he has to use the remaining games to change the current way we're playing domestically, because it isn't working. 

If he sticks to the same old and stays stubborn, then it's just going to end in tears this time next year again. 

[Hutton2008 646]

3 hours ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

At the end of the day he's gave us the best European nights we've had since Advocaat, but been a complete failure back home where it really matters. 

No mate. 

We got to a European final under Walter. Came after Advocaat.

Europes been a welcome morale boosting bonus. No more no less.

We have to rule at home first. Bread and butter.

2nd best two seasons on the spin is unacceptable.

First gaffer in 68 years to not win a trophy in two consecutive seasons.

Its as if some posters don’t want to win anything, as long as Stevie G is at the helm?!

2nd place is as good as last in my eyes. 

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

51 minutes ago, bornabear said:

 

 

 

4 posts that sum up this thread with common sensical content.

BTW, I am not an Ojo to his being SG. 

 

Cheers mate. Must admit when I seen 4 quoted posts I was expecting you to say I talk shite 😂😂😂

[Bad Robot 21,306]

2 hours ago, doc holliday said:

Time to refocus and re energise.

Put the bad stuff behind us.

Domestically give some fringe players some game time.

Look at our preparation  ,mental attitude and motivation.

 

Players need to lift their game not just against to p flight teams in Europe and against sellick but against the bread and butter hammer throwers in the SPL and the horrendous  plastic pitches.

 

Jack and Arfield have the right attitude and physicality when it matters .

Broonie of Sellick hates coming up against Scott.

Jack has nothing to prove.

 

Only the players can sort this out.

 

Motivation has to be prevalent all the time.Never mind the opposition,or the pishy cold wet weather .

 

This season has been a success....financially....and strangely like the curates egg,in certain aspects of our performance we have delivered.We will make a handsome profit from our  European adventure and we could easily make at least £30 million(conservative estimate) from the sale of two players which looks on the cards.We are a better side than sellick but they know how to see out a game against the minnows and get that killer goal.In that respect  they are far more effective and ruthless than us.

 

We were the best team until the year end.We beat them and they genuinely feared coming up against us.

Why would we give fringe players a shout when the league can still be won?

its a long shot but not impossible 

[Bad Robot 21,306]

Just now, Hutton2008 said:

No mate. 

We got to a European final under Walter. Came after Advocaat.

Europes been a welcome morale boosting bonus. No more no less.

We have to rule at home first. Bread and butter.

2nd best two seasons on the spin is unacceptable.

First gaffer in 68 years to not win a trophy in two consecutive seasons.

Its as if some posters don’t want to win anything, as long as Stevie G is at the helm?!

2nd place is as good as last in my eyes. 

sorry the difference in finance has never been greater so going on about 68 years is essentially comparing apples with oranges. 

[Bad Robot 21,306]

15 minutes ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

I think to say its a complete failure ignores the fact he's restored our pride in Europe (and brought in European cash) whilst significantly helping  to improve our brand image and generate fresh interest in Rangers across the UK and beyond. It was a clever move by DK for that alone imo. 

We need trophies obviously. But when someone has come within a whisker of silverware, got the better of the current champions home and away, and seems to be strengthening the squad with quality like Hagi, isn't it worth rolling the dice for another season to see where the journey concludes?

Especially when there is no obvious alternative.

far too many have thrown the towel in for my liking and so much for no fkn surrender

[Hutton2008 646]

1 minute ago, Bad Robot said:

sorry the difference in finance has never been greater so going on about 68 years is essentially comparing apples with oranges. 

Aye you’re right. We should just accept second.

Most would agree we are more than a match, man for man maybe even better than the tarriers.

What was the financial disparity between us and them during our 9iar?

Geez peace. Stop accepting mediocrity.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,608]

1 hour ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

Depends whether you believe Gerrard can make us winners or not. Sport can be decided by small margins and the scum have had the edge with luck, refereeing decisions (big surprise) and clinical finishing at key moments.

Look at their cup tie yesterday. Like us they were nil-nil at half time. Unlike us they found a way to win by a single late goal. 

For some unknown reason we've had Jack, Kent, Davis, Alfie all hit a slump in form whilst Defoe (our best striker in terms of ratio of goals to minutes played) got injured.

But those names mentioned - as well as Shagger and Hagi (if we get him) - are more than good enough to win this league.

Gerrard at this moment in time doesn't feel to me like a floundering, agitated Warburton or a gormless Caixinha. I say keep the faith for another season. 

 

Theres no comparison between our game and theres, they were dominating st johnstone, hearts were all over us

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,608]

30 minutes ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

I think to say its a complete failure ignores the fact he's restored our pride in Europe (and brought in European cash) whilst significantly helping  to improve our brand image and generate fresh interest in Rangers across the UK and beyond. It was a clever move by DK for that alone imo. 

We need trophies obviously. But when someone has come within a whisker of silverware, got the better of the current champions home and away, and seems to be strengthening the squad with quality like Hagi, isn't it worth rolling the dice for another season to see where the journey concludes?

Especially when there is no obvious alternative.

We are no closer to a domestic honour under gerrard than we were under warburton, but under warburton we didnt need a 10mill cash injection along with euro money to see out the season

Gerrard has spent a fortune to be no further ahead domestically, dont care if we are comfy 2nd place, in scotland thats nothing

[Bad Robot 21,306]

27 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

We are no closer to a domestic honour under gerrard than we were under warburton, but under warburton we didnt need a 10mill cash injection along with euro money to see out the season

Gerrard has spent a fortune to be no further ahead domestically, dont care if we are comfy 2nd place, in scotland thats nothing

3 people offside which cheated us out a cup is as close to a domestic honour any one will ever come.

[Bad Robot 21,306]

43 minutes ago, Hutton2008 said:

Aye you’re right. We should just accept second.

Most would agree we are more than a match, man for man maybe even better than the tarriers.

What was the financial disparity between us and them during our 9iar?

Geez peace. Stop accepting mediocrity.

You’ve thrown the towel in this season already so there’s only you who’s accepting second

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,608]

22 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

3 people offside which cheated us out a cup is as close to a domestic honour any one will ever come.

Nope, warburton was closer, least he took the lead in the final

[Bad Robot 21,306]

5 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Nope, warburton was closer, least he took the lead in the final

I can agree to disagree but we played the scum off the park and we can’t say the same about hivs

[StaunchLondonGer 1,651]

54 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Theres no comparison between our game and theres, they were dominating st johnstone, hearts were all over us

didn't watch their game mate, wouldn't do that to myself.  just saw the result.

Point is we've dominated possession time and again and failed to get the 3pts whereas the scum seem to find a way.  

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,608]

6 minutes ago, StaunchLondonGer said:

didn't watch their game mate, wouldn't do that to myself.  just saw the result.

Point is we've dominated possession time and again and failed to get the 3pts whereas the scum seem to find a way.  

Agreed apart from the weekend, after ten mins of either gsme there was only gonna be one winner, hearts and tarriers

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,608]

8 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

I can agree to disagree but we played the scum off the park and we can’t say the same about hivs

Tbf we did play hibs off the park, just the usual defensive calamities cost us

[Laudrupsleftfoot 11,019]

1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

We are no closer to a domestic honour under gerrard than we were under warburton, but under warburton we didnt need a 10mill cash injection along with euro money to see out the season

Gerrard has spent a fortune to be no further ahead domestically, dont care if we are comfy 2nd place, in scotland thats nothing

Keep seeing this over and over without the extremely fucking valid qualification that he's also earned the club a fortune. Not far off what he's spent in actual fact.