OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 12 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: Big Lee saying there that the ref said you can't gesture towards the fans, so why do players giving it the ssshh to away fans after they score never get booked. Good point. It appears the only rule that could apply to celebration is leaving the field, which he couldn't have been further from doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spion kop 233 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Is it to much to expect a statement from the club on this Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Blue Legend 61,467 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Do we know for a fact there were no Rangers fans in that cow tip stand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Rules per FIFA guidlines: While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive. Reasonable celebrations are allowed, but the practice of choreographed celebrations is not to be encouraged when it results in excessive time-wasting and referees are instructed to intervene in such cases. A player must be cautioned if: • in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative, derisory or inflammatory • he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored • he removes his shirt or covers his head with his shirt • he covers his head or face with a mask or other similar item Leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in itself but it is essential that players return to the fi eld of play as soon as possible. Referees are expected to act in a preventative manner and to exercise common sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 His celebration was no different to him jumping on Millers back after a goal Madness Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 minute ago, GOAT said: Rules per FIFA guidlines: While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive. Reasonable celebrations are allowed, but the practice of choreographed celebrations is not to be encouraged when it results in excessive time-wasting and referees are instructed to intervene in such cases. A player must be cautioned if: • in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative, derisory or inflammatory • he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored • he removes his shirt or covers his head with his shirt • he covers his head or face with a mask or other similar item Leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in itself but it is essential that players return to the fi eld of play as soon as possible. Referees are expected to act in a preventative manner and to exercise common sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal. Cheers I wasn't able to C&P that from the PDF for some reason. So his celebration wasn't provocative, derisory or inflammatory and the ref didn't show common sense. Call it a ticket to the Killie game. Just let me know where I'm sitting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, wullyRFC said: Cheers I wasn't able to C&P that from the PDF for some reason. So his celebration wasn't provocative, derisory or inflammatory and the ref didn't show common sense. Call it a ticket to the Killie game. Just let me know where I'm sitting In that case Neil Lennon gesturing to us all those years ago with his hand in the air, then smoking the fake cigar wasn't provocative, derisory or inflammatory then....? Call it a pint a cider in the louden. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 It seems a pretty universal response/action. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, OlegKuznetsov said: Good point. It appears the only rule that could apply to celebration is leaving the field, which he couldn't have been further from doing. I'm at a loss with this one, as for the rumour about the steward and the cop surely enough time hadn't passed for all that to happen before the ref sent Andy off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, GOAT said: In that case Neil Lennon gesturing to us all those years ago with his hand in the air, then smoking the fake cigar wasn't provocative, derisory or inflammatory then....? Call it a pint a cider in the louden. Dear oh dear Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Dazzler said: It seems a pretty universal response/action. The tennis ones are just ridiculous. As for the other two, celebrating in front of their own fans, that's blew that out the window straight away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, wullyRFC said: Dear oh dear Lennon gesturing to the enclosure and smoking the fake cigar would have been a bookable offence, not that I'd want him booked for it for the record, I'd rather he slipped going up the tunnel and broke his neck. But any reaction to a crowd is inflammatory and provocative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 minute ago, GOAT said: The tennis ones are just ridiculous. As for the other two, celebrating in front of their own fans, that's blew that out the window straight away. How are the tennis ones ridiculous? Klopp celebrating the way he does can be viewed from all around the stadium, so don't agree that they are blown out of the water. They were from a quick search to illustrate a point, that if we are going to be offended by people pumping the air then we are fucked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Just now, GOAT said: Lennon gesturing to the enclosure and smoking the fake cigar would have been a bookable offence, not that I'd want him booked for it for the record, I'd rather he slipped going up the tunnel and broke his neck. But any reaction to a crowd is inflammatory and provocative. Lennons gestures were provocative, Hallidays wern't. There is no rule you can't gesture to away fans. You're even allowed to leave the field of play if you want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, EastEnclosureBear said: Have a yellow card for your avatar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Can't believe this is even being discussed tbh. There's only 2 people who think it's a booking.. Goat and whoever alerted the ref. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Dazzler said: How are the tennis ones ridiculous? Klopp celebrating the way he does can be viewed from all around the stadium, so don't agree that they are blown out of the water. They were from a quick search to illustrate a point, that if we are going to be offended by people pumping the air then we are fucked. It's nothing to do with being offended jesus fucking christ. It's in the laws of the game not to make a provocative or inflammatory gesture. Regardless of how ridiculous his gesture is, it can still fall under either of those categories because he makes the gesture to the opposition crowd. The linesman is clearly a prick, common sense was not used in this case, but Halliday could easily have avoided it by not gesturing to them. Why can't people see that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard 241 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Any videos or pictures with the linesman in the same shot as Halliday pumping his fist? would love to know if the linesman actually saw the incident, as it was definitely his call to give a second yellow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 9 minutes ago, GOAT said: Lennon gesturing to the enclosure and smoking the fake cigar would have been a bookable offence, not that I'd want him booked for it for the record, I'd rather he slipped going up the tunnel and broke his neck. But any reaction to a crowd is inflammatory and provocative. So you think the referee 'demonstrated common sense' do you? Thats just where your whole premise disintegrates. You owe wullyRFC a pint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfourtimes 38 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The problem with this rule (and many others like it) is its open to interpretation, and when you have incompetent arseholes who referee and assist the referee therein lies the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
googglebot 4,736 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 They wouldn't have dared do this to the scum, one rule for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, wullyRFC said: Can't believe this is even being discussed tbh. There's only 2 people who think it's a booking.. Goat and whoever alerted the ref. Where did I say I think it's a booking? I think it's ridiculous you can get booked for something like this. I said by the letter of the law he can get booked. Which the linesman ensured happened. Bit of a difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, GOAT said: It's nothing to do with being offended jesus fucking christ. It's in the laws of the game not to make a provocative or inflammatory gesture. Regardless of how ridiculous his gesture is, it can still fall under either of those categories because he makes the gesture to the opposition crowd. The linesman is clearly a prick, common sense was not used in this case, but Halliday could easily have avoided it by not gesturing to them. Why can't people see that? A fist pump is not provocative or inflammatory in football or any other sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.12 508 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 David McKniff was the linesman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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