stewaj3 1,446 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 A lot of excitement about his pedigree, but the legs have gone. Will just not do it here as a starter, may make a good impact sub, but he is too much of a passenger to gamble on starting him. Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,534 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Not looking good just now but too early for that kind of comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Watch the first half, at least he tried, which can't be said for many in that side. People who think he was our worst player in that match haven't watched it properly. I admire that he showed desire, it was those around him, apart from Windass, who were lacking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Good old Capucho Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JukeBoxJohn 3,060 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 = Maniero = Ostenstad = fuck up mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,661 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Nuno Capucho won a medal in Seville Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: Watch the first half, at least he tried, which can't be said for many in that side. People who think he was our worst player in that match haven't watched it properly. I admire that he showed desire, it was those around him, apart from Windass, who were lacking. I don't know why any Rangers fan would want to watch that sheer embarrassment ever again mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Garner was our worst player, never have I seen a forward so unwilling to shut a defender down or make a decent run every now and again, he looked like he couldn't be bothered doing anything, so fucking soul-destroying Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Just now, Gaz52 said: I don't know why any Rangers fan would want to watch that sheer embarrassment ever again mate I only watched the first half as there was a thread on it that suggested we do this. My son and I watched the first half this evening. I had thought it was even at the time, when I saw it again we were not great at all, but Kranjcar was far from being our worst performer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 That's a bit unfair. Those former two were shysters, no doubt about it but Niko was getting about but like someone has already said his legs have gone. Technically he is the best player in this country by a fair distance. I still think he can make a positive contribution from the bench this season- like the Motherwell game Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I think it's too early to judge, as is the same for all new recruits this season. In terms of technical ability, range of passing, crossing and shooting he still has it. However, he's probably not quite as consistent as he once was, which is natural as you creep towards the twilight of your career. He's never been the fastest player in the world, so whilst he may not be the fastest I don't think that is a major issue insofar as he's never been a speed merchant anyway. Also, I don't think there'd be much between him and say, Barton in a foot race. If he's not getting on the ball as often though, and if he's not quite on it however then of course, he becomes more of a passenger and liability as he's not known for his energy, defensive or tackling abilities. I don't think you can fault him for effort though. He certainly tried, and showed a bit of dig. Sadly he just wasn't as effective as we wanted him to be. I still think he can offer us something, more so at Ibrox, when it's tight and when we need that extra bit of quality. He has that in his locker. I also don't think we can play with Niko, Barton and Miller. We lack pace, energy, drive and penetration when all 3 play. If we were to play Niko with 5 of the front 6 being any 5 of the following I think he would make a far greater impact: Holt, Halliday, Rossiter, Windass, McKay, Garner, Waghorn, Forrester, MOH and possibly Crooks. If he plays alongside guys with legs, as well as ability, it would be the perfect mix. Used the right way, I think Niko can still become a success for us.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Laudrup1984 said: I think it's too early to judge, as is the same for all new recruits this season. In terms of technically ability, range of pass, crossing and shooting he still has it. However, he's probably not quite as consistent as he once was, which is natural as your creep towards the twilight of your career. He's never been the fastest player in the world, so whilst he may not be the fasted I don't think that is a major issue insofar as he's never been a speed merchant anyway. Also, I don't think there'd be much between him and say, Barton in a foot race. If he's not getting on the ball as often though, and if he's not quite on it however then of course, he becomes more of a passenger and liability as he's not known for his energy, defensive or tackling abilities. I don't think you can fault him for effort though. He certainly tried, and showed a bit of dig. Sadly he just wasn't as effective as we wanted him to be. I still think he can offer us something, more so at Ibrox, when it's tight and when we need that extra bit of quality. He has that in his locker. I also don't think we can play with Niko, Barton and Miller. We lack pace, energy, drive and penetration when all 3 play. If we were to play Niko with 5 of the front 6 being any 5 of the following I think he would make a far greater impact: Holt, Halliday, Rossiter, Windass, McKay, Garner, Waghorn, Forrester, MOH and possibly Crooks. If he plays alongside guys with legs, as well as ability, it would be the perfect mix. Used the right way, I think Niko can still become a success for us.......... I've defended Barton in the past because I thought he was developing a role in the midfield, but in that match he was extremely poor. I'd have subbed him and not Kranjcar at half-time, had Kranjcar not already been booked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,957 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 A few people say the legs are gone and before you know it becomes a common sentiment on here. Niko will have more good games than bad ones for us. He's still got something to offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibroxholm 2,280 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Remember watching Capucho give them the absolute runaround when he played for Porto. Looked a player and, on the back of this, was really excited when he signed up at Ibrox. What a let down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Just now, Turnberry18 said: I've defended Barton in the past because I thought he was developing a role in the midfield, but in that match he was extremely poor. I'd have subbed him at half-time had Kranjcar not already been booked. I've not watched it back, and appreciate he had a few niggling fouls but the actual booking he got (whilst I appreciate it was for persistent fouling) seemed ridiculously harsh IMO. After the booking though Niko being subbed really was the only option. There's no excuses for our poor start to the season however, I think we have been a tad unlucky with our preparation and injuries, and as such we're yet to have a settled side. Again not an excuse, but a reasonable observation IMO. I know it's all about the squad and understand the importance of the front 6 especially, being able to be versatile and have the ability to play in several positions. However, that can also be detrimental and also tricky for new players coming in, not consistently playing in the same position, which of course includes Barton who's been moved around, no matter how experienced he is. Hopefully now that key players like Waghorn, Windass, Holt, etc are back we can maybe get a more settled side, a slightly improved side, which will hopefully allow us to go on a wee run. That also includes the 2 centre halves. Injuries and suspensions permitting, we need to just pick to centre halves and go with it. We can't keep changing them around....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro 32 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 28 minutes ago, Gaz52 said: Garner was our worst player, never have I seen a forward so unwilling to shut a defender down or make a decent run every now and again, he looked like he couldn't be bothered doing anything, so fucking soul-destroying This frustrated me as well but I put this down to Warburton giving him the orders not to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Laudrup1984 said: I've not watched it back, and appreciate he had a few niggling fouls but the actual booking he got (whilst I appreciate it was for persistent fouling) seemed ridiculously harsh IMO. After the booking though Niko being subbed really was the only option. There's no excuses for our poor start to the season however, I think we have been a tad unlucky with our preparation and injuries, and as such we're yet to have a settled side. Again not an excuse, but a reasonable observation IMO. I know it's all about the squad and understand the importance of the front 6 especially, being able to be versatile and have the ability to play in several positions. However, that can also be detrimental and also tricky for new players coming in, not consistently playing in the same position, which of course includes Barton who's been moved around, no matter how experienced he is. Hopefully now that key players like Waghorn, Windass, Holt, etc are back we can maybe get a more settled side, a slightly improved side, which will hopefully allow us to go on a wee run. That also includes the 2 centre halves. Injuries and suspensions permitting, we need to just pick to centre halves and go with it. We can't keep changing them around....... Good post, I agree with all of that. It's pity that Waghorn has been injured at certain crucial times, because he may have made a difference. I would love to see him, Garner, and O'Halloran as a front three, although maybe Waghorn would have to play inside left for that to happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanMK 4,670 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I feel like he won't do the simple things. He holds onto the ball for far too long waiting to see if he can make a spectacular pass. An easy fix. He just needs to learn to move the ball quicker. Something that no player in a Rangers shirt has done since April. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,806 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 He's a good option to have and will help us break down stubborn defences. But as usual, we probably went a bit overboard after he had a few good games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnclosureBear 2,926 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Game seemed to quick for him and he just started kicking the cunts. The midfield is just too slow. Kranjcar and Barton can't start together. Ball isn't moved quick enough, opponents aren't getting shut down quick enough. Just too fucking slow. Last year the midfield was shutting cunts down, moving the ball quick from defence to attack, making clever runs, creating space, we are really missing Jason Holt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: Good post, I agree with all of that. It's pity that Waghorn has been injured at certain crucial times, because he may have made a difference. I would love to see him, Garner, and O'Halloran as a front three, although maybe Waghorn would have to play inside left for that to happen. It's unlikely to happen but I'd like to see us mix it up a little and play two up top. Garner and Waghorn through the middle IMO would cause all sorts of problems for anyone. MOH on the right. McKay on the left (if on form) and then 2 of Windass/Forrester/Holt/Rossiter/Niko in the middle. Or even a similar style that big Eck utilised when he was here. Many may disagree but I really rate a lot of our offensive players. It's just really frustrating when quite a few of them aren't quite on it. I think if we can somehow find the right formula, the right balance and everything clicks, offensively certainly, we can cause a lot of damage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Laudrup1984 said: It's unlikely to happen but I'd like to see us mix it up a little and play two up top. Garner and Waghorn through the middle IMO would cause all sorts of problems for anyone. MOH on the right. McKay on the left (if on form) and then 2 of Windass/Forrester/Holt/Rossiter/Niko in the middle. Or even a similar style that big Eck utilised when he was here. Many may disagree but I really rate a lot of our offensive players. It's just really frustrating when quite a few of them aren't quite on it. I think if we can somehow find the right formula, the right balance and everything clicks, offensively certainly, we can cause a lot of damage. There are so many positives to be found in the squad. Windass looks a certain talent, Rossiter is a prospect. Those two at least, and who knows how good Crooks might be. I'm not giving up on Kranjcar, there is a certain honesty and humility about him that I like and he is a skillful footballer. Our forward line is capable of much better that what we saw there. Waghon is crucial to this team, he, Windass, and Forrester have potential to take us far in this league. The defence is the problem area, but maybe once he settles Senderos will offer us something. Tavernier is possibly our best player at the moment, the improvement he has made since the start of the season has been clearly evident, and he shows all the signs of a player who has worked hard to get himself to a new level; Barrie McKay needs to do the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 The occasion got the better of Kranjcar. I'm sure he'll come back from this we're only 5 games in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugar_free_pizza 402 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 1 hour ago, simplythebest said: Good old Capucho jiggy jiggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercingetorix 33 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 At this moment in time I think Krancjar has been at his most effective coming on as a sub maybe that's the best he has to offer us now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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