thebluedoo 2,652 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 By default, in all honestyMcKay got in when we barely had a team. As soon as everything settled down, he barely started another matchWould MacLeod have got in the team had McCoist succeeded in signing another midfielder? He wanted to sign a veteran Greek and a German called Fink, but both turned us down (Fink because we wanted him to come on trial first)Lewis MacLeod was getting picked by A M ahead of Sheils and Templeton, also Fraser Aird got picked ahead of experienced players. I dont think anyone is saying McCoist got it right or that he didnt make mistakes, it just is not true to say he never gave youth a chance he did.I can remember Kal Naismith, Darren Cole, Kyle Hutton, Andy Mitchell and Barrie McKay playing it the 3rd division, and trust me when we were drawing with the likes of Annan at Ibrox then. No one was pushing for them to remain in position.Building a team with the correct mix of youth and experience is the most persued teamstyle, have a look at any of the successful teams most have the balance like Chelsea with Terry, Ivanovich and Drogba mixed with Hazard, Oscar and Willian Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Army 4,146 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 in his time as manager he playedKyle hutton, lewis macleod, Barrie mckay, John fleck, Greg Wylde, calum gallacher, kyle macausland, kane hemmings, andy little (was young and untried when McCoist played him) nicky clark, darren Cole, andy Murdoch, Tom Walsh, ryan hardie, fraser aird, Charlie telfer, Ross perry, hegarty (forgot his first name he was that shite) Andy Mitchell and maybe more....I think it's a myth that he never gave youth a game.I think it would just be easier to say he's a shite manager and leave it at that.Kyle Hutton was given his debut by Walter Smith , a year before Ally became managerGreg Wylde was given his debut by Walter Smith, 2 years before Ally became managerJohn Fleck was given his debut by Walter Smith, 3 years before Ally became managerAndy Little was given his debut by Walter Smith 2 years before Ally became managerNicky Clark scored over 40 goals in the division above and then was not given a sniff by McSalary.Telfer was given one brief appearance for RangersAndy Mitchell was a right midfielder who was played at Right Back by McCoist and won MOTM in his first game, his next game he was shunted out to Left Back and struggled because, he was released shortly after,It was Chris Heggarty,Most of the other players you mentioned had their careers damaged by McSalary, The £250 per hour Gardener.We won the league out the park last year and were playing meaningless games and he still wouldn't play themEND OF THREAD ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He played them when he had no other choice, McCall does it off his own back.The criticism of McCoist stands, thanks.Even senior players regressed under mccostalot. lee wallace seems to be starting to enjoy his football again, just one example.Players look more confident and there appears to be a team spirit developing among the players.21million quid and three years wasted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Nicky Clark was already in his 20s when we signed him. Hardly a youth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,723 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Giving them the odd appearance really isnt the same as giving them a chance.All players now know that if they are selected and play well then there is every likelihood they will keep their place in the team. This was never the case for our youths under the dud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 McCall seems to believe in Walsh, Hardie and Wee Andy but more importantly HE HAS THEM BLIEVING IN THEMSELVES?Mccostalot seemed to destroy any confidence a player might have shown, another sign of a bad manager Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,543 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He's classing telfers 23 minutes as giving him a shot Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,686 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He's classing telfers 23 minutes as giving him a shot Aye but he did nothing in that time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I guess when you hate - you just have to hate a lot - this thread shows that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I guess when you hate - you just have to hate a lot - this thread shows that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,723 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I guess when you hate - you just have to hate a lot - this thread shows that! Still hurting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,785 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 McCoist played quite a few younger players when his hand was forced in SD3 but as soon as the transfer embargo was lifted he wasn't interested in giving any younger player who wasn't already established a real opportunity in the first team.Maybe if McCoist had given guys like Murdoch, Walsh & Hardie the opportunity that they are getting now six months ago rather than persist with his out of form, uninterested favourites - Foster, Black, Boyd & Smith to name four - then the results would have been better and he would still be in a job.Would McCoist ever have dropped Miller from a squad and replaced him with an 18 year old? Baed on what we seen over his three and a half year tenure I certainly tdon't think so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,845 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Gasparotto's Airdrie's PotY!Yet we continue to play Lee McCulloch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,845 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Would McCoist ever have dropped Miller from a squad and replaced him with an 18 year old? Baed on what we seen over his three and a half year tenure I certainly tdon't think so.Neither did McCall though. Miller was injured on Saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Giving youths one game out of their natural position is not a chance. Giving them a solid 8 or9 games is giving them a chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy bob swollenbaws 1,866 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I guess when you hate - you just have to hate a lot - this thread shows that!is mcspiv off our wage bill yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,785 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Neither did McCall though. Miller was injured on Saturday.I thought he was just dropped. Didn't realise he was injured.I still think the point applies though. McCoist would have been more likely to turn to the Daly, Boyd or Shiels of the squad before he would turn to somebody like Hardie though.Is Daly injured too or is he just out of favour? Can't remember when the last time he played was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashPizza 198 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Pretty sure Daly has a knee injury Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupret 223 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Is this thread a wind up?The return of Jermy Beadle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bob 1,360 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 If Ally McCoist had played under managers like himself he would never have been given the chance to make it in football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Playing them in 1 or 2 games when he had no other options is not the same as having faith in them.They weren't all world beaters but we didn't need the likes of Miller, Black, Boyd, Daly and Simonsen etc for this division. McCall has proved beyond all doubt we already had most of the players we needed.There was more than enough talent to get us out the 3rd and 2nd divisions. Then if required we could have bolstered the squad to compliment the youths for this season. Some would have fallen by the wayside and others would have come in. That is only natural.McCoist admitted he wanted a ready made team with little or no effort on the coaching side because he knew he was not up to the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefootwillie 1,518 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 With the exception of McLeod andAird he never gave any of them a chance. The worst Rangers Manager and best paid in my lifetime and Scot Symon was the Manager when I went to my first game Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bob 1,360 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Playing them in 1 or 2 games when he had no other options is not the same as having faith in them. They weren't all world beaters but we didn't need the likes of Miller, Black, Boyd, Daly and Simonsen etc for this division. McCall has proved beyond all doubt we already had most of the players we needed. There was more than enough talent to get us out the 3rd and 2nd divisions. Then if required we could have bolstered the squad to compliment the youths for this season. Some would have fallen by the wayside and others would have come in. That is only natural. McCoist admitted he wanted a ready made team with little or no effort on the coaching side because he knew he was not up to the job.While earning more money than some EPL managers . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,845 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I thought he was just dropped. Didn't realise he was injured.I still think the point applies though. McCoist would have been more likely to turn to the Daly, Boyd or Shiels of the squad before he would turn to somebody like Hardie though.Is Daly injured too or is he just out of favour? Can't remember when the last time he played was.Yeah, Miller was out with a minor injury. I'm sure Daly is injured aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I guess when you hate - you just have to hate a lot - this thread shows that!Nothing meaningful to contribute. Like a staunch defence of your hero and worst manager in our history.The joke figure of RM when it comes to McCoist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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