The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Drunk and disorderly. said: I wouldn't sing either of them but the latter defo gets you into trouble. If you wish more clarity write to UEFA. It's their rules afterall. Doubt they will tell you right enough. While you are at it could you ask them about the rascism part as that is off the wall. It's not about them being a race. If it ticks any of these boxes - "insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin,, gender or sexual orientation," Then it falls under Article 14 (Racist and other discriminatory conduct) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Bears r us said: That is what it looks like and as I have just replied to Sassa it will be interesting to see they are (1) punished in the first place and (2) what that is, I am sure it will not mean 3,000 seats being closed. Lucky if it will be 3000 Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,485 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Bad Robot said: it’s the blood and bastards but you already know that but why purposely cloud the issue ? Thank you for clearing up that add ons aren’t the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BouncyBluenose87 1,559 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 FARE are a proverbial arse boil on Football. Their staff should just fuck off and die...cunts of the highest order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: It's not about them being a race. If it ticks any of these boxes - "insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin,, gender or sexual orientation," Then it falls under Article 14 (Racist and other discriminatory conduct) Fenian is none of the above. Neither is bastard or being up to my knees in any kind of blood. Going by that rule we couldn’t even call them Peado Scum Cunts as it goes against their sexual orientation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, BouncyBluenose87 said: FARE are a proverbial arse boil on Football. Their staff should just fuck off and die...cunts of the highest order. The fact they are run by two of the biggest bigots to ever walk the earth seems to be lost on some of our support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Fenian is none of the above. Neither is bastard or being up to my knees in any kind of blood. Going by that rule we couldn’t even call them Peado Scum Cunts as it goes against their sexual orientation. UEFA disagree. Whether you or I do is utterly irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Well yes it does, or I’m being accused of a thought crime that isn’t even my thought Exactly. You are being accused and punished for a thought crime. Matters not a jot. Yow know what you mean when you sing it. You also know what the authorities think you mean when you sing it. They are in power, so they make the rules. Shitty but we either live with it, or we end up playing matches behind closed doors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, gogzy said: Well unfortunately, yes. Unless we are happy to see the club and fans suffer fines, stadium closures etc. How do you think this should be fought, how do we not just roll over here? The guys in charge make and interpret the rules, it's really that simple. We should be fighting the fact Fenian is none of groups listed in UEFA rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF1 167 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Lifetime bans for those responsible. Sickening that bears that can control themselves will miss out on the Legia game cause of these vermin. We don't need them in out support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,150 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Thank you for clearing up that add ons aren’t the issue. you’ve just confused yourself and you’re welcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,413 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It's a game and it's better for everyone if we stick to the rules, like them or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: We should be fighting the fact Fenian is none of groups listed in UEFA rules. We have. We failed. Ajax tried. They failed. UEFA aren't going to change their position on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,150 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, BF1 said: Lifetime bans for those responsible. Sickening that bears that can control themselves will miss out on the Legia game cause of these vermin. We don't need them in out support. They’re not vermin but we do need to wise up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: We should be fighting the fact Fenian is none of groups listed in UEFA rules. Fighting who? and how? Ajax tried it, they got knocked back. Do you think us making the same argument is going to make a blind bit of difference? It doesn't have to be specified, it's in there vaguely. ..... "insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin,, gender or sexual orientation,"" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,485 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, BF1 said: Lifetime bans for those responsible. Sickening that bears that can control themselves will miss out on the Legia game cause of these vermin. We don't need them in out support. Fuck up ya tarrier bastard. Just now, Bad Robot said: you’ve just confused yourself and you’re welcome Who’s confused? You’ve claimed add ons are the problem, when Fenian blood and bastard are the actual lyrics. One nil me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The apologists are out in full force now. Im for the off....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, BF1 said: Lifetime bans for those responsible. Sickening that bears that can control themselves will miss out on the Legia game cause of these vermin. We don't need them in out support. Fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,150 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Fenian is none of the above. Neither is bastard or being up to my knees in any kind of blood. Going by that rule we couldn’t even call them Peado Scum Cunts as it goes against their sexual orientation. This is s catch all which is very clear so blood and bastards come into it: "insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, gogzy said: Exactly. You are being accused and punished for a thought crime. Matters not a jot. Yow know what you mean when you sing it. You also know what the authorities think you mean when you sing it. They are in power, so they make the rules. Shitty but we either live with it, or we end up playing matches behind closed doors. Aye let’s just lie down and take it. You do know they will simply move on to the next word that they fancy don’t you. I know Fenian cunts that want WATP classed the same as Fenian and Rule Britannia banned. May sound mental but if you had said the same about Fenian 20 years ago they would’ve laughed at you. If you said the first day the Famine Song got song it would be banned in no time they would e laughed at you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,159 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, BF1 said: Lifetime bans for those responsible. Sickening that bears that can control themselves will miss out on the Legia game cause of these vermin. We don't need them in out support. Calling fellow bears vermin really? what a wanker you are, you’ve probably sang the songs yourself you hypocritical prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,150 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: Fuck up ya tarrier bastard. Who’s confused? You’ve claimed add ons are the problem, when Fenian blood and bastard are the actual lyrics. One nil me You got me 👏🏻👏🏻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,918 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Fuck up ya tarrier bastard. Who’s confused? You’ve claimed add ons are the problem, when Fenian blood and bastard are the actual lyrics. One nil me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don logan 8,064 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It's UEFA's competition and they make the rules. You either abide by them or pay the consequences. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: We have. We failed. Ajax tried. They failed. UEFA aren't going to change their position on this. Never stop fighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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