Bakbear

The majority of supporters that I spoke to felt that when we went to the third division that was the time to bring in youth and develop a whole new ethos while working our way back up the league. Of course everyone expected to win every division consecutively but to do so while building for 55. Many messages on here were about how if we built youth and built for the future then we would have guys coming into the top league with 100 plus games under their belt while still being relatively young The dismay when we brought in past it players looking for a final pay day was widespread. To me that reflects a patience that we wouldn’t have in the top league right now we should be thinking of what it takes to win the title NOW. Not what we need to build to win the title 3 years from now. The usual demands and impatience are exponentially higher than normal as they approach 9 in a row.

Fucking hell. Can we no learn a lesson no? Who the fuck is graham potter? Why can’t we see that the time for Graham Potters and Mark Warburtons and Graeme Murtys was 2012 when we went down to the bottom division. We had all the patience in the world then now the scum are relentlessly marching to another 9 in a row. Stop fucking about and get in a no nonsense, respected, experienced coach who knows how to win in Scottish or at least British football. I don’t care if that is old fashioned and a step back. It’s a step back we need. Progressive management can wait til we bag 55

2012 seems like it will be used in perpetuity as an excuse for underperformance of the board. We have been back in this league for long enough with continuing fans support and more money coming in from merchandise. We should be comfortably second and chasing the scum. We should not be losing regularly at Ibrox to diddy teams. We are well behind the curve

I was too young to fully understand the early 80s. But I will always have hope because as grim as it is now, and its fucking grim, I have faith that we are the biggest and best support in the country and ultimately that will carry the club through. Players, managers and owners come and go but the fans are the constant and ultimately that’s what will ensure we win 55. Stay strong.

Murty taking the next game is disastrous. The team is playing in the image of its manager. Weak as piss, no spine, no fucking clue of what he is doing, completely out of his depth and out of ideas. If he had any sort of honour he would acknowledge that he is better walking away and letting the adults take over

What’s Wim Jansen up to these days? i couldn’t give a fuck if Steve Clarke is a closet taig. If he stops their run of league titles, get him on board. Winning 55 is all that matters right now and stopping them before 9 preferably, and essentially before 10. I don’t care what happens in season 2 of any new managers reign, but season 1 needs to be win the league. Time for “building for the future” is past. Now it’s win the league at all cost. We can build for the future after that.

You can have all the ability in the world on the pitch. If the mentality is missing you’ll win fuck all. I have been saying this since Warburton started. Players with talent. Players that can make pretty patterns but where is the ruthlessness? Where is the “win at all costs” brutal streak? Who are the bastards in our ranks? The hard men? The streak of steel needs to be there and it needs to start from the Manager. From the time Murty did a head stand you could see that he is just too nice

Murty lacks baws. Nice guy. We don’t need a nice guy. I hoped Jimmy Nic would compensate but the gaffer needs to be the hard man with the number 2 as more of a nice guy.

It’s psychological rather than a lack of ability. We just miss the winning mentality. We are playing a young side under a rookie coach and That will come with time. We have a much stronger mindset now than we did under Warburton and Pedro but it’s not there yet. i understand and share the frustration but it’s hard to condem 21 year old players for making mistakes or lacking experience and being naive

Gutted. I was maybe Lucky that I couldn’t watch the game due to work. So with the benefit of not having seen the failings today I can only comment on what everyone is saying Based on what youse are all saying, we can’t just look past the fact that we have an inexperienced team and an inexperienced manager. Goss, Doch, Morelos, Cardoso and Murty seem to be getting it. All young and inexperienced. All probably naive. We are obviously not a million miles from them. docherty will learn. Goss will learn but not to our benefit, so he will be replaced with someone like Jack/McCrorie/Doran’s. Cardoso wouldn’t have been playing but for injury but anyway our CB position needs replaced with someone better, either a new buy or McCrorie. Morelos is still a kid and has a lot of development to do if he is ever going to be worth the silly money folk were throwing around a month ago. I personally doubt he ever will be but still at 21 he is never going to be the finished article. Murty. Good youth team coach. Still a long way off what we need. Let’s go get Steve Clarke

I see. Did Kyle gain our respect and praise? I recall him being a massive point of ridicule. Anyway i didn’t mean to single out your quote but people are throwing out names of utter dross that were with us for more than one season. I am guessing that the thread has just had an irony breach. Carry on.

Think I have misunderstood the thread ? Are people just throwing out names of players that didn’t stay for long?

Is this still a thing?

What on earth could he mean by “culture up” ???

Barry ferguson is a Rangers legend. That is not an opinion than is an indisputable fact. Is he a jumped up ned who thought for a while that he was bigger than the club? maybe. That’s up for debate. Did he tarnish his legend by leaving to Blackburn. Maybe. That’s debateable as well. Did he completely embarrass himself, Walter and the club with the V sign. Probably. Was his behaviour under PLG out of order. Maybe. Debate aplenty but he came through from the youths to Captain one of our best footballing teams in our history and won more trophies than most captains. He was an outstanding talent and very much a legend.

The thing about football is that there is no such things as a sure thing. We could get Jose Mourinho up here and he could fall flat on his face. We won't get him and we won't get any top rated manager, so anyone we would attract would have a higher risk of failure. If Murty continues like he is now, if he gets a win off the scum and finishes the season with momentum then I think it would be madness to replace him for next season. I am delighted we failed to land McInnes and I am even happier that we don't have Tommy Wright. Steve Clarke is doing a great job at Kilmarnock but .. well ... Kilmarnock. Murty with Jimmy Nic alongside him and JJ seemingly an able assistant as well, Mark Allen finding the players, the set up might just work

Different strokes for different folks. Some need a kick up the arse some need a hug. Some should be dropped after one bad game some should get two or three. There is no one rule fits all approach. That’s where managers earn their crust

I am not that old. But I have enough years behind me to have seen very strange things in sports. I dont believe we can catch the scum this season. We have left it too late, but it’s not impossible. I will start to believe if they drop points today and we can beat them in the next game. Until then I am just happy to be back to the commitment and will to win that we have been missing.

We should break the bank for him. Think he has been brilliant so far. I would have no problem if we spent 3 mill on him.

He was brilliant but Candeias was better today.

Just .... just wow. Murty has said nothing wrong here. I can’t understand why some are so quick to be negative. If something has the ability to hurt you then you should show it some respect. A stray dog, fire, snakes whatever. Respect it’s ability to hurt you and you won’t get hurt. Murty is not saying that we should not try and score more goals. He is saying that we should acknowledge and respect that they have the ability to close that gap. That we should respect their ability to score. We managed to put 5 past them while keeping our shape, there is no need to go gung ho in order to score more. We need to stick to our tactics and score more. I am sure Murty is on record previously for saying we should have scored more. He is in record saying we need to be more ruthless. That we should put ourselves out of site. I think it is remarkable that a manager comes out after a 5-3 away victory to take us into 2nd and shows how angry he is at the manner in which we conceded goals. I took his comments as a sign of a perfectionist and a winner  Â

Epitomises where we are as a team right now. Inconsistent, petulant, privileged and fails to understand the weight of jersey he is fortunate enough to pull on. May also be a bit of an analogy of modern football. Either way, he is a decent player but he is completely out of touch if he thinks a half decent goal against Partick Thistle gives him the high ground on the Rangers support. Better served to get his head down and Work on his decision making and his consistency instead of thinking he has made it in the game.

My memory isnae the best but I was sure Tav got ripped to pieces by stokes all game. First goal had Tav posted up field as is so often the case, second goal, Stokes was Tav’s man at the corner and Stokes outjumped him to score the header. He also skinned him a few times during the game.

No. I mean Tav.

People posting on fan forums rarely have a grip on reality. It’s where people anonymously spout their more enthusiastic views. Either positive or negative. I would wager that most of the folk that say Tav is the best player in Scottish football on here would not say it in the pub. Might not be old enough to be in the pub actually . If you are expecting to come on here and have everyone making balanced and sensible posts then perhaps the internet isn’t your thing. As I have said elsewhere, Tav is about the best RB we can expect at the moment. He is decent, can be very very good on his day, can be woeful too. Will never forget the way Stokes toasted him in that cup final. But ultimately I would be sorry to see him leave.