4MenHadADream 122 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Just found guilty, wonder what the sentence will be. Footballer Clayton McDonald also up for the same charge against the same woman. McDonald found not guilty.Not sure if this should be in OT, admin feel free to move it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEE 4,880 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 John Philpotts, prosecuting, has told the court that Mr Evans had booked a room "with the main or sole purpose of procuring a girl or girls that night"He said the defendants "were on the lookout for any girl who was a suitable target and the claimant had literally stumbled across their path."Doesn't sit comfortably with me to be honest... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dangerously 7,562 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Who's Ched Evans mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MenHadADream 122 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Apparently she was "too drunk to consent". Jailed for 5 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MenHadADream 122 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Who's Ched Evans mate?Ex-Man City, now Sheff Utd striker, also a Wales international Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dangerously 7,562 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Ex-Man City, now Sheff Utd striker, also a Wales internationalThanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo 588 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Footballer Ched Evans has been found guilty of raping a 19-year-old woman while another player Clayton McDonald has been cleared.Wales and Sheffield United striker Evans, 23, was convicted by a jury at Caernarfon Crown Court.Both he and Port Vale defender McDonald, also 23, had denied rape at a Premier Inn near Rhyl, Denbighshire.The men admitted having sex with the woman on 30 May, 2011 but said it was consensual.During the trial, the jury saw video interviews in which the woman, now 20, said she could not remember what happened and feared her drinks were spiked.She could not remember travelling to the hotel, but woke up in a double bed."My clothes were scattered around on the floor," she said."I just didn't know how I got there, if I had gone there with anyone. I was confused and dazed."The court heard that Evans, whose mother lives in Rhyl, had invited McDonald and others for a bank holiday night out in the seaside town on 29 May.Because there was not enough space at Evans' mother's house, he booked McDonald into the hotel.Defender Clayton McDonald signed for Port Vale last seasonThe court heard that McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird".During Evans' evidence, he told the jury he had gone to the hotel, let himself into McDonald's room and watched his friend and the woman having sex.It was claimed McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes.The prosecution claimed that while the attack happened, Jack Higgins, an "associate" of the footballers, and Ryan Roberts, Mr Evans' brother, watched through a window.The court heard the defendants had known each other since they were 10 years old and shared digs when they played for Manchester City's youth academy.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842To anybody unfamiliar with case Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Sasac 164 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Raging.Clayton McDonald, was that him at Hibs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_1974 204 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Raging.Clayton McDonald, was that him at Hibs? No that was Clayton Donaldson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MenHadADream 122 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Raging.Clayton McDonald, was that him at Hibs?No, that was Clayton Donaldson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedown27ready 108 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Evans could get promoted and go down in the same season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Sasac 164 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 No that was Clayton DonaldsonNo, that was Clayton DonaldsonAh, cheers guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeWallaceRFC 3,920 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 How the fuck can one be found guilty and the other not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 well it would seem that he booked a hotel room then set up a teenager drunk out our mind, took her back to the hotel and got his mates to film it.from that point of view it does seem as scummy as fuck, but if thats rape, then surely it happens to thousands every single friday and saturday night? It's frightening to think you could take a burd home from a night out and could end up in the nick for 5 years because she says she was too drunk to remember it. how do you even measure that by law? Maybe nightclubs should sell breathalizers so any guy out on the pull can take note of his burds alchohol/blood level before getting them in the sack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_1974 204 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Was just a matter of time before a footballer got locked up for rape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goianegra 4,682 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I'm 99% sure celtic came within a bawhair of signing him 3 years ago? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillete 1,338 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I think that's harsh tbhIf she said yes to sex , then how the fuck can Evans be done and McDonald not ( if she can't remember) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_1974 204 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 well it would seem that he booked a hotel room then set up a teenager drunk out our mind, took her back to the hotel and got his mates to film it.from that point of view it does seem as scummy as fuck, but if thats rape, then surely it happens to thousands every single friday and saturday night? It's frightening to think you could take a burd home from a night out and could end up in the nick for 5 years because she says she was too drunk to remember it. how do you even measure that by law? Maybe nightclubs should sell breathalizers so any guy out on the pull can take note of his burds alchohol/blood level before getting them in the sack.The law is that there must be consent, if someone is completely out of it they cannot give consent,the alleged offender cannot be reckless as to assume consent would be given. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The law is that there must be consent, if someone is completely out of it they cannot give consent,the alleged offender cannot be reckless as to assume consent would be given.but if she says she cant remember, whos to say she didnt give consent? is it possible she did, and happened to come across to others less drunk than she actually was? did she actively particpate in it, or did she just lie there with her eyes rolled back inot her head?she also said she thought she was spiked, but there was no evidence of this. does this mean every man must become an expert to how drunk someone is?what if the man is just as drunk as the woman?Ched Evans actions may have been that of a scumbag, but i guess i just lean towards people facing up to responsibilty for their own actions. Many girls aged 18-25ish go out to clubs every single weekend, and get blotto beyond belief and go home with guys. We glorify it in this country aswell, i've seen glimpses of brain-melt TV such as Geordie Shore and it almost seems to be a TV show dedicated to sluts out on the lash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_1974 204 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 but if she says she cant remember, whos to say she didnt give consent? is it possible she did, and happened to come across to others less drunk than she actually was? did she actively particpate in it, or did she just lie there with her eyes rolled back inot her head?she also said she thought she was spiked, but there was no evidence of this. does this mean every man must become an expert to how drunk someone is?what if the man is just as drunk as the woman?Ched Evans actions may have been that of a scumbag, but i guess i just lean towards people facing up to responsibilty for their own actions. Many girls aged 18-25ish go out to clubs every single weekend, and get blotto beyond belief and go home with guys. We glorify it in this country aswell, i've seen glimpses of brain-melt TV such as Geordie Shore and it almost seems to be a TV show dedicated to sluts out on the lash.It then comes down to 'honest belief', did Ched Evans believe consent was given, from the verdict the jury think no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The law is that there must be consent, if someone is completely out of it they cannot give consent,the alleged offender cannot be reckless as to assume consent would be given.I understand that law. Although would it be the same if the offender said he was to out of it to remember raping her?.....i think not.Sheff utds top scorer aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz 306 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The lassie said no, the lassie said noooooooooooooo... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenDavis 112 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I don't understand how Evans is guilty and the other boy isn't.Besides, he won't serve his full sentence, he'll be let out after 2 years or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo 1,433 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Bit of a weird one considering his mate wasn't convicted.5 years is quite a lenient sentence for such a serious crime though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrewsburyowl 47 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 20K per week, Welsh International, 2nd top scorer in the league and could have the pick of the red side of Sheffields scrubbers, and still has to resort to forcing himself on a teenager! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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