jdonald755 118 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm frustrated by talk of splits coming in.Posted this idea a while bk and it makes sense to me anyway.Premiership = 16 teams each playing home and away = 30 games.Championship = 16 teams each playing home and away = 30 gamesNon league Conference = 16 teams ( 10 from SFL3 and best 6 junior teams) each playing home and away = 30 gamesBelow that is the Highland League, West League Juniors and East League Juniors with the champions of each div being promoted to the Conference each year.Premiership = 2 relegated automatically with 2 promoted automatically from Championship.Playoff between 3rd bottom Prem and 3rd/4th/5th Championship.Same scenario with the Championship.Conference same promotion-wise but 3 relegated automatically with the 3 regional Junior champions promoted.This leaves a shortage of League games. Sorted with League Cup sections groups.League Cup sections = 40 highest placed teams from last season go into League Cup sections. ( All Prem/Champ teams and 8 highest placed Conference teams from last season.Seeded to keep the top teams apart. 8 sections of 5 teams in each section.Pot 1 = 1 to 8 Prem last season.Pot 2 = 9 to 15 Prem and 1st Champ team last seasonPot 3 = Relegated Prem team and 2nd to 8th Champ from last season.Pot 4 = 9th to 15th Championship and winner Conference.Pot 5 = Relegated Championship and 2nd to 8th Conference.Play home and away each team = 8 games ( which makes up for league shortage).Winners of each section go into last 8 and play out as normal. ( straight knockout/one game)Keep Scottish Cup as it is.Bring bk Glasgow Cup to ensure extra Old Firm game for TV. Play it pre season time.Bring in same sort of Cup in Edinburgh/Dundee/Highland for early season derby matches. Get English/ Northern Irish/ Welsh and Irish teams to scrap their league cups and introduce a Uk and Ireland Cup.32 teams. Straight knockout/ one game24 from England.4 from Scotland.2 from Northern Ireland.1 from Wales.1 from Ireland.To qualify for the Uk Cup you need to reach the semis of the Scottish League Cup.This makes the league Cup important and exciting. Big crowds and Tv interested.What do people think ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ShadesofBlue 667 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 16-16-16 playing each other twice and then each league splits into 8 with each team playing each other 1 more time to decide final placings. 2 up 2 down. Nice and easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricksen_da_best 2,034 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Why do we even need splits?Splits are ridiculous, absolute no need for them.SPL should have 10 teams. Top 4 , is European places.1st Division Should be 12.Bottom team of the SPL is relegated.Top of the first division is promoted.8/9th in the SPL, then play 2nd/3rd in the first division in a play off for the remaining 2 spots.Means even if top and bottom is settled with a few games to go, their is still some excitement at whos getting europe or getting relegated.Bigger bottom tier leagues is the ONLY way to go. The bottom division should have 18/20/22 teams. Means more players are getting out of amatuer leagues, and giving them more chance to shine. A system in place for amatuer teams to make the step up should be put in place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter huistra 1,740 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Quite like that , specially the League cup format . But there is not a chance they are going to go back on the idea of 12-12-18 . The timing of all of this to coincide with the kangeroo court is remarkable and bheggers belief . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,851 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Come now, your ideas are far too sensible or those in power to accept Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman10 148 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Sort of like the Swedish set up? although theirs is 16/16 and then a north and south first division both with 14 teams each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,074 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Makes too much sense to be considered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,865 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 There are a number of problems with your idea:Firstly, let's simplify the names. Div 1, Div 2 and Div 3 and leave it at that. They would all be under the one banner anyway. What if all the relegated teams are from the same geographical area??There are other leagues outwith Juniors, what about them?? A Glasgow Cup game is not going to be the same as a typical OF game so that won't be considered a starter either.The League Cup crowds are very poor particularly in the early rounds. Playing Welsh teams won't make any difference and you can rule out the inclusion of teams from the republic. I can't see the English clubs going for it either.The teams need to have a certain number of games guaranteed relevant to league participation. Sponsorship deals will have to be considered I'm sure.We need change but it needs to be debated properly. Many ideas need to be considered and the best taken forward but the fans need to be consulted and not just the vociferous minorities at the clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
achaleven 38 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Makes sense to me. Good idea to extend the league cup to make up the additional games. Gets rid of the ridiculous split. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffinoz 49 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Far to sensible therefore the fuckwits at the SPL/SFA wouldn't have a bar of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,831 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The only problem is a tv deal, Sky are only intrested in buying a package that has 4 OF games. without the 4 games the tv deal will be reduced massively Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricksen_da_best 2,034 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The only problem is a tv deal, Sky are only intrested in buying a package that has 4 OF games. without the 4 games the tv deal will be reduced massivelyWell that's not correct because they signed up to a tv deal this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 the problem for most teams is they need the 4 games against the old firm to survive - look at how the rest of the SPL teams are doing this year, in what is effectively the same as having a '2 games against each team' option. they get two games against PSFC this year and teams are struggling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat malky 11 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The 2 Top divisions should have full time teams and the bottom 2 should be part time Bottom 2 divisions should be split North East/South West cuts down travelling costs increases local Derbys if after a few seasons there is an imbalance the bottom 2 divisions should be re drawn. All in the interest of Sporting............... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 91 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 What happens if the bottom 3 in the conference league are say all in the east league. ... then 3 are relegated to the east league yeat 1 from Highland, west and east are promoted.I know regarding a lot of highland clubs they cant afford away days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think we should go back to old school, with divisions 1-4, but with 12 teams in each. That would allow the teams that have been waiting in the wings for years to have their chance. What concerns me more is who would be running it SPL, SFL, SFA or an amalgamation of all three? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Blue_Flash 390 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I just don't get the idea, it's stupid ok bad enough we will win promotion but not get it but tell me if I'm wrong don't a bunch of teams currently in the 2nd division technically be getting relegated to the 'new' bottom tier ?? Why wolf those clubs vote for this chances are once down they will never get back up and will probably go bust? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,262 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There are far too many teams in senior football for our population; when games cannot attract 500 fans between 2 teams these teams should not be in a professional league.We have 42 teams in the leagues while down south with almost 10 times the population have 92.Unfortunately if someone suggests amalgamating some of these teams or putting them out the league suddenly thousands of "fans" would crawl out protesting but something does need to happen to bring reality into scottish football.The idea of a Uk league cup would not interest any decent clubs;schedules are tight anyway in england and top teams tend to field weaker teams because of this in Carling and even FA cup games.Championship and football leagues have so many games and play lots of midweek league games.lower divisions have the Johnson trophy north and south as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,831 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well that's not correct because they signed up to a tv deal this year.Yes on reduced money.. Also the fact they could show our game due to us handing over our tv rights. If we didn't do this their wouldn't of been an SPL tv deal, Sky are only intrested in Rangers v Celtic with all due respect they don't care about the rest. They pay the money to secure those games.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 As has been said the televison people will want 4 old firm games and that is why we need a split Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHardie 1,405 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Perfect Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,526 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Scottish football will never improve while non-league teams have no hopes of advancing beyond that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 They would lose 7 home games a season re this set up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroxybear 660 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I'm frustrated by talk of splits coming in.Posted this idea a while bk and it makes sense to me anyway.Premiership = 16 teams each playing home and away = 30 games.Championship = 16 teams each playing home and away = 30 gamesNon league Conference = 16 teams ( 10 from SFL3 and best 6 junior teams) each playing home and away = 30 gamesBelow that is the Highland League, West League Juniors and East League Juniors with the champions of each div being promoted to the Conference each year.Premiership = 2 relegated automatically with 2 promoted automatically from Championship.Playoff between 3rd bottom Prem and 3rd/4th/5th Championship.Same scenario with the Championship.Conference same promotion-wise but 3 relegated automatically with the 3 regional Junior champions promoted.This leaves a shortage of League games. Sorted with League Cup sections groups.League Cup sections = 40 highest placed teams from last season go into League Cup sections. ( All Prem/Champ teams and 8 highest placed Conference teams from last season.Seeded to keep the top teams apart.8 sections of 5 teams in each section.Pot 1 = 1 to 8 Prem last season.Pot 2 = 9 to 15 Prem and 1st Champ team last seasonPot 3 = Relegated Prem team and 2nd to 8th Champ from last season.Pot 4 = 9th to 15th Championship and winner Conference.Pot 5 = Relegated Championship and 2nd to 8th Conference.Play home and away each team = 8 games ( which makes up for league shortage).Winners of each section go into last 8 and play out as normal. ( straight knockout/one game)Keep Scottish Cup as it is.Bring bk Glasgow Cup to ensure extra Old Firm game for TV. Play it pre season time.Bring in same sort of Cup in Edinburgh/Dundee/Highland for early season derby matches.Get English/ Northern Irish/ Welsh and Irish teams to scrap their league cups and introduce a Uk and Ireland Cup.32 teams. Straight knockout/ one game24 from England.4 from Scotland.2 from Northern Ireland.1 from Wales.1 from Ireland.To qualify for the Uk Cup you need to reach the semis of the Scottish League Cup.This makes the league Cup important and exciting. Big crowds and Tv interested.What do people think ?Great idea to consider send it to Charles Green and David Longmuir SFL hold all the cards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubyred90 118 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only number that should follow 16 is 90 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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