Del 667 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Before I go any further I am delighted that they are in charge but I cant help but think if they done such a good job then why did Brentford let them go. *tin hat on*I done some digging and found the following articles about the Brentford chairman Matthew Benham and his "football method".http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/05/15/soccer-analytics-brentford-midtjylland-matthew-benhamhttp://www.punditarena.com/football/english-football/thepateam/moneyball-matthew-benham-brentford-fc-unorthodox-quest-success/Both of them are worth reading, even if Warburton wasnt about to become our next manager, but it seems to me like the success of Brentford might not all have been down the manager.I hope they come in and get is playing good football and winning trophies again but I think there is more to this than meets the eye. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,537 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thats for another day.Tonight I'm feeling positive about our longer term football outlook. For the first time in 3 years I think we've got it right.Im delighted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,407 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Must admit I skim read that however is it not saying that MW unwillingness to move towards that model is the issue thus the credit does sit with him (and his team) for what has already been and gone?I will read in full later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Before I go any further I am delighted that they are in charge but I cant help but think if they done such a good job then why did Brentford let them go. *tin hat on*I done some digging and found the following articles about the Brentford chairman Matthew Benham and his "football method".http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/05/15/soccer-analytics-brentford-midtjylland-matthttp://www.punditarena.com/football/english-football/thepateam/moneyball-matthew-benham-brentford-fc-unorthodox-quest-success/Both of them are worth reading, even if Warburton wasnt about to become our next manager, but it seems to me like the success of Brentford might not all have been down the manager.I hope they come in and get is playing good football and winning trophies again but I think there is more to this than meets the eye.The system that Benham wants to introduce to Brentford is the one he put in place at Middtjylland and Warburton told Benham that he couldn't work that way. While he respects that Benham has put the money in he wasn't comfortable with the additional reliance on statistics to find players. The decision to leave was, genuinely, mutual both sides continue to have the utmost respect for each other. What Warburton has done is introduce a brand of football that most Brentford fans haven't ever seen their team play. Using a combination of young players and shrewd operation in the loan market (their player of the year was a loanee from Spurs) he has got Brentford batting above their weight. That has little to do with the method you allude to in the links but everything to do with attention to detail and genuine management of the players. It will be a culture shock to those still here but they will have the choice to adapt or leave. The reaction of Brentfords players when they scored after they heard he was leaving says much about him as a manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata 161 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Yeah, Ted Knutson is the analyctics guy both fc midtjylland and brentford hired to crunch alot of the numbers. Been a big follower of his for a while, has been spot on over the last few years with league and player predictions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Warburton was working behind the scenes at Brentford since 2011 as coach, assistant manager and then sporting director. To try and diminish the influence he had at Brentford is disingenuous at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The Brentford owner perhaps made a mistake with his gambling - to the benefit of RFC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueretro 704 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Good read. I will be looking out for Brentford's results next season with interest. I still think Warburton is a great move for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misteral 2,952 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I think we should all be happy that whatever they bring next season it will be different from what we've had to endure this season. It's not feasibly possible for it to be worse and I for one fully expect us to get promotion. They will be under enormous pressure to ensure that. I hope their contract terms reflect that. New players coming in....weh hey!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The stats theory is interesting and seems to work for him at his other club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,865 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Dave King contacted Warburton and managed to persuade him to join ' project Charlotte' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 They all laughed at Billy Beane in Major League Baseball when he started this method, they don't laugh anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del 667 Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 Warburton was working behind the scenes at Brentford since 2011 as coach, assistant manager and then sporting director. To try and diminish the influence he had at Brentford is disingenuous at best.I am not trying to do that at all mate.It just that with everything that has happened over the past few years this seems to good to be true Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,450 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The stats theory is interesting and seems to work for him at his other club.Or it could just be a coincidence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I see AZ Alkmar have hired Billy Beane as a consultant advisor, the times they are a changing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1690tamRFC 5,001 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Or it could just be a coincidence I would be inclined to believe that to be honest, good players and tactics win football games, obviously he's made a lot of money with his statistics for betting purposes and I can see how you could use a teams recent statistics and form to win at the bookies, but to implement signings and future tactics, as your base model for management for me is madness as it simply doesn't work that way. As was said in the thread earlier it will be interesting to see how Brentdord fare next season under such a system but it's easy to see why Warburton didn't fancy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutonblue 1,974 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Warburton was working behind the scenes at Brentford since 2011 as coach, assistant manager and then sporting director. To try and diminish the influence he had at Brentford is disingenuous at best.Did you google that Al Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Kool Blue 139 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 He's one these loonballs who is trying to make Moneyball work in Football. Mark Cuba points out why it doesn't work in Basketball, I think the same point applies to Football. http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-on-moneyball-2014-3?IR=T Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Did you google that Al Naw, some cunt just told me in the street the other day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutonblue 1,974 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Naw, some cunt just told me in the street the other day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 364 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 They all laughed at Billy Beane in Major League Baseball when he started this method, they don't laugh anymore.Aye but that has only ever happened once mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaPapacLoyal 348 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Before I go any further I am delighted that they are in charge but I cant help but think if they done such a good job then why did Brentford let them go. *tin hat on*I done some digging and found the following articles about the Brentford chairman Matthew Benham and his "football method".http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/05/15/soccer-analytics-brentford-midtjylland-matthew-benhamhttp://www.punditarena.com/football/english-football/thepateam/moneyball-matthew-benham-brentford-fc-unorthodox-quest-success/Both of them are worth reading, even if Warburton wasnt about to become our next manager, but it seems to me like the success of Brentford might not all have been down the manager.I hope they come in and get is playing good football and winning trophies again but I think there is more to this than meets the eye.Just read both of them there. Can't see anything that implies Brentfords success isn't down to Warburton. The owner may be a big fan of stats but Warburton still picked the team and tactics, lead the training and motivated the players. It's also quite clear that he left Brentford due to him and the owner disagreeing over the statistical method. There is nothing more to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Aye but that has only ever happened once mateWhen the Redsox couldn't get him to come to them they did it on their own the rest is history. I don't think it can be just as effective in football, but it certainly has a place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ 743 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 So by reading these two articles, one poster feels that Warburton does not deserve credit for Brentford's success? 44% chance of Brentford making promotion for the Championship under the owners stats, yet the manager made it happen. In Benham's world of stats and luck, that was MW being very lucky - I do not believe in luck over a full season! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 He talks about it all in depth here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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