weedurranty 28 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Just hearing news about this Bull Shit investigation into "sectarian" singing at the game yesterday and it is making my blood boil. I know Im far away in Canada and maybe don't get the full perspective but please help me understand this: C#$tic can sing "go home ya h***" and "Orange Bastards " to us and yet we get investigated for singing songs that have been part of our history for over 100 years. If THEY can fall back on the insane excuse that they are going back to their Oirish roots then why can we not say we are just celebrating our Protestant roots? seems a double standard no? Maybe this is the current Liberal bleeding heart type of society Scotland is becoming? Please enlighten me before I burst a blood vessel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedurranty 28 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 sorry. so what im saying is we need strong leadership here to stand up to everyone who is trying to erode our traditions because it doesn't fit their political agenda. And, evertone seems soo pissed off at us because we took them to the cleaners for so long and they feel that now is their chance to truly get a dig in. ENOUGH Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,685 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Just hearing news about this Bull Shit investigation into "sectarian" singing at the game yesterday and it is making my blood boil. I know Im far away in Canada and maybe don't get the full perspective but please help me understand this: C#$tic can sing "go home ya H***" and "Orange Bastards " to us and yet we get investigated for singing songs that have been part of our history for over 100 years. If THEY can fall back on the insane excuse that they are going back to their Oirish roots then why can we not say we are just celebrating our Protestant roots? seems a double standard no? Maybe this is the current Liberal bleeding heart type of society Scotland is becoming? Please enlighten me before I burst a blood vesselBuster Bloodvessel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 There will be no investigation. Nothing.The fans need to stop getting worked up about this. As it stands they can't punish the clubs due to the non-liability rule they all agreed on ages ago.Stick to ripping the pish out of Frank, the Edinburgh junkies and the Fenians across the city for their hypocrisy on this but don't worry about it more than that. Saying we are getting punished/investigated only gives them credence and the bullshit story more valid. Leave the scare mongering to the fenian loving bastards who have made a living out of the lies such as Spiers, English etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedurranty 28 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 There will be no investigation. Nothing. The fans need to stop getting worked up about this. As it stands they can't punish the clubs due to the non-liability rule they all agreed on ages ago. Stick to ripping the pish out of Frank, the Edinburgh junkies and the Fenians across the city for their hypocrisy on this but don't worry about it more than that. Saying we are getting punished/investigated only gives them credence and the bullshit story more valid. Leave the scare mongering to the fenian loving bastards who have made a living out of the lies such as Spiers, English etc.cheers for that clarification Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,336 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 It's the usual overblown shite that comes out when we have been in a corner and then fight back to get back on the front foot. We have them rattled, all this pish deflects from the fact that we're on the way back and that we are going to get them all Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,206 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Just stick two fingers up to the corrupt authorities and do whatever the fuck we like,seems to work for the east end bheasts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 At a crossroads? This guy should be able to help us out Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBEST-Simples 5 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 At a crossroads? This guy should be ablew to help us out Falklanders looked similar with the headgear when we first started to beef up the military presence after the Invasion in '82. They were referred to as Bennys. Higher arky not amused so DCI brought out stating term no longer to be used. Subsequently they were referred to as Stills (still bennys). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,631 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chepooka 126 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 "Oi loikes miss Doy-an an Cloomsy Charlee!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 As a club we are not at a crossroads, the club have made their views clear on this for many, many years and that is not going to change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears 794 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Buster BloodvesselThat's bad manners to reply like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 We don't line their pockets for views, we do so for results.The appeasement and the demonisation ends now. WE are the club. Time they grew pair and earned their money and lead by example, in action to deliver the desired result, otherwise they are no better than the third rate nanny state politicos that currently rule us in this taig infested backwater. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,227 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 After having it mostly their own way for the last 4 years it seems a very important win for Rangers is too much to take for some and they are grasping at straws on how to hurt us. These are the people we need to weed out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Time to stand up and be counted man women and child.Demand to know why this song is sectarian? This song is about this country's enemy's who would see it over thrown and a United Kingdom no more. The word fenian does not mean Catholic and a Protestant could also be a fenian so that's that one cleared up.And gloryfying a razor gang ? Really? Do they have proof of this as I grew up in the east end and have never heard such shite, people sing the end of the song, We are and whatever area they are from, ie, We are the cambuslang derry boys, We are the larkhall Derry boys etc. So where is this song anti Catholic? These are the questions that need to be asked, Focus have said its not sectarian but offensive? What the fuck is that all about?Nicola Sturdeon offends me every time she opens her trap. But is she ever charged? Legally they don't have a leg to stand on so its now offensive?See them in court Rangers as the soldier song with lyric North men, south men sing this song soon they'll be no Protestants at all, they will tell you different, more lies and more properganda.As I said stand up man women and child and defend your rights just like any other creed or race have.It strikes fear into our enemy's as they know nothing they have can even come close.We now have fans who supported the nazis? Yes, their ground was closed during the war because of this telling us what's offensive.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Legal begal was it not David Murrays position? I know of no supporter who has been coming longer than before Murray turned up at our door who agreed with this. So as a club we did not get a say? Did you? I never. Put it out to season ticket holders and you will get the clubs true stance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 But but but have you not heard Hivs are writing a report? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Don't rock the boat OP think of the bridge building. Investigation or not, fine or not, it's the only thing that's being discussed again. Is this ever discussed after any other team plays a game and sings the same tune? Is it fuck so it's time to tell all those rancid bastards and the handwringers within that this is how it's going to be and you can fucking like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Legal begal was it not David Murrays position? I know of no supporter who has been coming longer than before Murray turned up at our door who agreed with this. So as a club we did not get a say? Did you? I never. Put it out to season ticket holders and you will get the clubs true stance.No, the club's stance is in what the club say, not what the fans say. After Murray, there have always been messages asking fans to refrain. The club also give bans out to fans who are arrested for singing and chanting. The reason the SFA have not been able to fine us so far is because the club makes all efforts to discourage it and therefore aren't held liable for it.And if anyone thinks that in the middle of trying to get representation at the top level of Scottish football, still fighting off the odd title stripping attempt and generally trying to get the infrastructure right that the club are going to launch into a battle with the football authorities and probably the Scottish government over this, then I am afraid they are deluded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 No, the club's stance is in what the club say, not what the fans say. After Murray, there have always been messages asking fans to refrain. The club also give bans out to fans who are arrested for singing and chanting. The reason the SFA have not been able to fine us so far is because the club makes all efforts to discourage it and therefore aren't held liable for it.And if anyone thinks that in the middle of trying to get representation at the top level of Scottish football, still fighting off the odd title stripping attempt and generally trying to get the infrastructure right that the club are going to launch into a battle with the football authorities and probably the Scottish government over this, then I am afraid they are deluded.Ban fans for singing a song that is offensive.They offend me and every Rangers fan by complaining, so is that also a crime? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Ban fans for singing a song that is offensive.They offend me and every Rangers fan by complaining, so is that also a crime?No, that isn't a crime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I dont think we as a club are at a cross roads, but The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 legislation is.It has been shown to be unworkable and unenforcable in any serious way. We have no arrests yesterday with regard to this act - yet the media are getting themselves in a lather about a game in which the police sought to take absolutely no action. It is therefore the very definition of the phrase " trial by media".And note that the press are not differentiating between lyrics in TBB - they are simply saying that TBB is banned and shouldn't have been sung. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 No, the club's stance is in what the club say, not what the fans say. After Murray, there have always been messages asking fans to refrain. The club also give bans out to fans who are arrested for singing and chanting. The reason the SFA have not been able to fine us so far is because the club makes all efforts to discourage it and therefore aren't held liable for it.And if anyone thinks that in the middle of trying to get representation at the top level of Scottish football, still fighting off the odd title stripping attempt and generally trying to get the infrastructure right that the club are going to launch into a battle with the football authorities and probably the Scottish government over this, then I am afraid they are deluded....and that is one of several reasons this board along with those before them are not fit for purpose. Let us hope that both you and I are wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana 31 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 We don't get to exclusively decide the meaning of the offending word, it comes down to the generally accepted meaning, and right now it has religious connotations. Whether the few hundred who post on here like it or not, that's how it is and I don't see it changing any time soon. Change the word, get the chant back. It's that simple. EBT is a funny piss-take for the moment, as is big trophies, but it's not a serious replacement. Surely all the various fans groups could get together and distribute the new lyrics to their followers on match day. "Rebel" for instance can only be seen as a political statement and as we know, "political" stuff is fine. If we as a support, with all these fans organisations, can't change one word then we don't deserve it back. It's now or never to be honest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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